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Is belief in the creation story a salvation issue?

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Of course it's not compatible with "Darwinism," any more than Goldilocks and the Three Bears is compatible with modern ursine zoology. You are reading Genesis wrong if you expect it to be compatible with any science, creation or regular. Forcing science to authenticate a 6000 year old Earth is as dumb as forcing scripture to authenticate an ancient cosmos.
 
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You are speaking of the idea of Social Darwinism, which attempted to apply the concept of survival of the fittest to in human society. Darwin had nothing to do with the development of Social Darwinism. In fact what the Nazis did goes completely against Darwin's idea of natural selection. While some right-wing religious extremists have attempted to tie Social Darwinism to evolution, there is no real connection. In fact, as I said, the Nazis rejected human evolution from animals. They rejected the common origin of the different human races, claiming that Aryans and Jews could not have shared a common ancestor.

If, in fact, the Nazis based their views on Darwin, perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining why they banned his books?
http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/burnedbooks/documents.htm#guidelines
 
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I have responded to the details of your posts; you ignored my response.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind pointing out exactly where the verses you kepp posting specifically say that belief in the Genesis creation account is a salvation issue.
 
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I've read the Gospel, and it's compatible with the fact of evolution.

you may be wrong on both counts let's see --

Are you informed to the point of actually addressing the details that refute the story you are telling?

 
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You are speaking of the idea of Social Darwinism, which attempted to apply the concept of survival of the fittest to in human society.

Darwin claims that humans came about in the first place because of the stories imagined in blind-faith evolutionism - the Nazi's then applied that reasoning to humanity for 'the next step' in their "survival of the fittest" program to create the miguided idea of a "master race" --

As we all know.
 
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If, in fact, the Nazis based their views on Darwin, perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining why they banned his books?
http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/burnedbooks/documents.htm#guidelines

A. as "if" the Nazi's were not insane.
B. As IF promoting their own "social darwinism" is "Banning evolutionism"???

"By examining Hitler’s ideology, the official biology curriculum, the writings of Nazi anthropologists, and Nazi periodicals, we find that Nazi racial theorists did indeed embrace human and racial evolution. They not only taught that humans had evolved from primates, but they believed the Aryan or Nordic race had evolved toa higher level than other races because of the harsh climatic conditions that influenced natural selection. They also claimed that Darwinism underpinned specific elements of Nazi racial ideology, including racial inequality, the necessity of theracial struggle for existence, and collectivism."

Turns out - details matter.

"In this essay I examine the following evidence to demonstrate overwhelmingly that Nazi racial thinkers embraced human and racial evolution: 1) Hitler believed in human evolution.
2) The official Nazi school curriculum prominently featured biological evolution, including human evolution.
3) Nazi racial anthropologists, including SS anthropologists, uniformly endorsed human evolution and integrated evolution intotheir racial ideology. 4) Nazi periodicals, including those on racial ideology, embraced human evolution.
5) Nazi materials designed to inculcate the Nazi worldview among
SS and military men promoted human evolution as an integral part of the Nazi worldview."

https://www.csustan.edu/sites/defau.../Weikart/Darwinism-in-Nazi-Racial-Thought.pdf

see the link

Then "read" before attacking Christians just because they know the truth about history and the Bible.
 
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you may be wrong on both counts let's see --

Are you informed to the point of actually addressing the details that refute the story you are telling?
Accepted it as what? The literal, inerrant, perspicuous and self-interpreting product of plenary verbal inspiration? LOL!

That is nothing but the "Calling Christ a Liar" argument done over with John.

P1 John wouldn't refer to Genesis unless he agreed with my interpretation.
P2. John refers to Genesis.
C. John agrees with my interpretation
 
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in real life?

And did you resolve the issue or simply post more self-conflicted ideas?

You ignored my response so I guess you wouldn't know. Are you always so rude?
 
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I already said that a few right-wing fundamentalists had incorrectly made this claim. You didn't answer my question--if the Nazis supported Darwinism, why did they ban Darwin's books?

As for Richard Weikart who wrote this article as well as other material on this issue, his books have been widely criticized. University of Chicago historian Robert Richards wrote that "Hitler was not a Darwinian" and called Weikat's book "a desperate tactic to undermine evolution."

Then "read" before attacking Christians just because they know the truth about history and the Bible.

I am a Christian. Noitice the Christian symbol. Or do you consider only those who agree with you to be Christians?
 
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Every man save one has sinned. That has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
Evolutionists don't believe in original sin (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Therefore evolutionists think they're going to get into Heaven with original sin on their account.

Unless God has some amendment for them in the plan of salvation, well ... they'll be knock, knock, knocking at Heaven's door.
 
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Perhaps Archivist would be willing to explain it to you.
Why not you? You brought it up. From the odd wording I would suppose it to be different than merely the notion that we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Something icky and improbable like the doctrine Total Depravity perhaps.
 
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Why not you? You brought it up. From the odd wording I would suppose it to be different than merely the notion that we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Something icky and improbable like the doctrine Total Depravity.
QV please:

SOURCE
 
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Evolutionists don't believe in original sin (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
Some do, some don't.

Therefore evolutionists think they're going to get into Heaven with original sin on their account.

That doesn't make any sense. If they don't believe in Original Sin, why would they think they could get into heaven still owing for it?
 
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