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So we should basically ignore the issues with the EU, more logic fail.I think there may have been too much attention focused on the EU, the errors of commision by the EU
The most successful countries in Europe, Norway and Switzerland, are outside of the EU. Iron knee indeed.We need to focus on what successful countries are doing.
Successful because they're in the EEA and Schengen. Which is almost certainly not what the British public just asked for.The most successful countries in Europe, Norway and Switzerland, are outside of the EU. Iron knee indeed.
Successful because they're in the EEA and Schengen. Which is almost certainly not what the British public just asked for.
Not convincingly it wouldn't. It's not easy to predict the effect on the 75% on its exports that Norway sells into the EEA if Norway were to withdraw. It would depend on what sort of deal with the EEA they negotiated, but I think it's safe to assume it would not be as good for exporters as full EEA access.What? It would be very easy to argue that Norway and Switzerland is successful in spite of - not because of - those agreements.
Nonsense. Switzerland is full of highly paid overseas workers, doing great things for their economy. And they are hugely reliant on migrant labour for their lower-paid jobs. Plus, there are successful Swiss workers all over Europe. Plenty here in London. I'm less familiar with Norway (never beenSchengen has only brought costs to those to countries, and very few benefits.
But has a high degree of single market access, via EFTA and other agreementsAnd of course, Switzerland is not part of EEA...
Not convincingly it wouldn't. It's not easy to predict the effect on the 75% on its exports that Norway sells into the EEA if Norway were to withdraw. It would depend on what sort of deal with the EEA they negotiated, but I think it's safe to assume it would not be as good for exporters as full EEA access.
To be clear, Norway would be fine regardless. Oil and gas ensures that. But I think you guys would lose some export revenue. Switzerland is a similar story, especially as regards the financial sector.
Nonsense. Switzerland is full of highly paid overseas workers, doing great things for their economy. And they are hugely reliant on migrant labour for their lower-paid jobs. Plus, there are successful Swiss workers all over Europe. Plenty here in London. I'm less familiar with Norway (never been)
So worse for some exporters, and there would still be trade with WTO tariffs, and if you leave out your biggest export sector then you have a balance of payments surplus? And none of this seems like a big deal to you?Maybe not as good for some of the exporters, but better for those that compete against import from the EU. Leaving oil and gas out of the equation - far more exports from EU to Norway than the other way around.
Anyways, it is not like without EEA there would be no trade. Most trade is regulated through WTO
Regulating movement would hinder companies. They would have to jump though hoops to get people; more admin and red tape. There would inevitably be quotas, and some companies would be unable to get the people they need. This is the whole reason that Schengen was introduced. There are huge economic benefits from freedom of movement, and huge costs in its absence.You call my argument 'nonsens'??
Your argument sounds like without Schengen there would be no foreign workers in Norway and Switzerland. What exactly would stop Switzerland from hiring workers from other nations, even if they were not part of Schengen? The point is that outside Schengen it is possible to decide who can come and who can not come into your nation.
From an economical point it makes sense to offer work permits only to those you want to offer it to. Two major costs of Schengen is the inflow of non-skilled workers and increased mobility of criminals.
So worse for some exporters, and there would still be trade with WTO tariffs, and if you leave out your biggest export sector then you have a balance of payments surplus? And none of this seems like a big deal to you?.
Regulating movement would hinder companies. They would have to jump though hoops to get people; more admin and red tape. There would inevitably be quotas, and some companies would be unable to get the people they need. This is the whole reason that Schengen was introduced.
Sure they would. But with tariffs. In some cases, these tariffs would make some Norwegian products uncompetitive, when compared to EEA based production. Sales, revenues, employment and tax take will all fall. This is economics, not scaremongering.Scaremongering.
You make it sound like EU only trade with EEA or within themselves. It is not like 'be part of EA or export nothing'
I do believe European countries would still buy oil, gas, fish, etc. from Norway
Yeah, almost everywhere has immigrants. But almost everywhere, companies are asking for reduced restrictions on who they can bring in, what administration is required for them to do so, how long they can bring in people for and a bunch of other restrictions which make it harder for them to operate. And crucially, which make it harder for them to match their European competitors, who have none of these problems (within their EU operations). Companies hate it when their rivals have an advantage. In some cases, if they can't beat them, they'll join them, and relocate to an environment where it is easier to do business.Scaremongering once again. What about the US? Do they not have immigrants - even though they are not part of EU?
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