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RND, you cannot separate the GC from the Adventist church. The fact that you were not aware of the governance structure of the church before you joined it does not change the facts.
RND, all that proves is that you may not be a traditional Adventist as defined in this forum.
That was a smokescreen you raised to avoid the truth of post #45. You presently hold on to a doctrine that was developed by the Catholic chuch and adopted by the Protestant churches.
I suggest you read the post again. My comment did not refer to the Trinity.No. The doctrine established by the catholic church is completely different than the trinity of the Adventist church. Read it again, real close:
What?You end in childish name calling--again! It is as if you believe that Catholicism is the bogey man. Wow, that is so sad! So shallow.
I pointed out that to insist on the 6.8 years, you have to know the exact date that Antiochus desecrated the Temple. There is nothing in Scripture, or any where else to nail it, so it has to be a "floating" period. You failed to see that. Wow, that is so sad! So shallow
You have failed to supply ANY alternative authoritative source to what I posted. You even erroneously dismissed the ISBE as touting "Catholic theology" Wow, that is so sad! So shallow.
It was you, not me who did the one word, two word, one word Hebrew flip flop. I merely pointed out the fallacy of using ANY Scripture in its context to prove your year/day nonsense. You failed in that respect, but have the gall to say that I did not meet the burden of proof. Wow, that is so sad! So shallow.
You mingle three different visions, many years apart, and under two separate kings into one vision, and assume that the commonality of figurative language in each somehow obliterates the simple fact that Daniel asked a question in Dan 8:13, and the angel answered it plainly in 8:14. Wow, that is so sad! So shallow.
It was you who tried to hijack the OP and take it in areas that I did not intend to go, but I humored you to make the point SEVERAL TIMES that it was you, not me who failed to deal with the OP. Wow, that is so sad! So shallow.
BTW your going into pop psychology " project it on to me" is not accurate, not appreciated, and you are unqualified to do any sort of psychological evaluation on anyone here. It merely demonstrated the absurd lengths you will go to maintain your fanciful interpretation of 1844, and the IJ. Wow, that is so sad! So shallow.
Sent, do you have anything theological to offer in this thread?RND, your behavior is most disheartening but you won't see it.
THE LOWER THE DEGREE OF BELIEF IN AN INERRANT AUTOGRAPHA, THE EASIER IT IS TO BE SDA. CONVERSELY, THE HIGHER DEGREE ONE BELIEVES IN AN INERRANT AUTOGRAPHA, THE LESS LIKELY ONE IS TO BE A SDA
great point.... additionally inerrant is difficult to define or prove, and doctrines usually morph over time....I would say that the lower the degree of belief in an inerrant body of Church Doctrine, the easier it is to be an SDA, and the higher the degree of belief of an inerrant body of Church Doctrine, the more likely one is to be either a self-deceived traditional SDA, or not self-deceived, but totally frustrated in the search for a suitable denomination. I also believe you can substitute SDA in that proposition for any denomination. It's easier to be a member of any denomination if you don't look at that denomination's fine print too closely.
People choose their faith based on emotional needs, not on microscopic Bible study. Once the choice is made, the Bible is seen through a lens that makes it appear that the doctrines of the already-chosen church are at least mostly true, or more true than the other churches. Every church has theological dirty laundry that they prefer to keep in the back where it doesn't show when company is around. People who are very fastidious in seeking inerrant Bible truth end up either without any denominational orientation, or as misfits in the denomination they stay in.
great point.... additionally inerrant is difficult to define or prove, and doctrines usually morph over time....
I hear what you are saying John, however I do not believe the bible to be "God's written word" and free from error. Neither do I believe it to be infallible. While I believe the bible can be a vehicle in which a person can be introduced to God, I do not believe that all parts of the bible are relevant for here and now... An interesting book that I am reading at the moment titled "How to Read the Bible" by Kugel is quite informative. As a friend of mine says, "In the beginning God created..." Everything else is commentary....
So I'm guessing that this is equivalent to the catholic position that this text means that Jesus turns into a wafer?
Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
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