Implications of humans making deal with aliens

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Your answer is no you have not studied it?

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I've read it. What does it have to do with extraterrestrials?

Thomas White said:

I've read it. What does it have to do with extraterrestrials?

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That depends on what you think of direct creations of God. God created angels before He created man.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

That depends on what you think of direct creations of God. God created angels before He created man.

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I think you are missing my question. What does that chapter have to do with extraterrestrials?

Are angels terrestrial?

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Are angels terrestrial?

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No, but angels would not be all extraterrestrials.

Thomas White said:

No, but angels would not be all extraterrestrials.

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Not of this world,you are meaning?

Mike Tang said:

Hi,

If aliens existed and countries have been in contact with them in the past, and made deals with the aliens in exchange for advanced technologies and other knowledge... what are the implications of this from the bible's/Christianity's point of view ?


Are the aliens the "fallen angels" /Devil in the bible?

Does this mean that humans made a deal with the Devil for worldly gains ?

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There's no evidence that any human being has ever been in contact with an extraterrestrial lifeform, let alone an intelligent/sentient one.

There's also no reason to believe that reported alien encounters are demonic in origin.

The most rational explanation is that there are rational explanations--whether it is simply that people are lying, or that people are confused, etc.

Like similar stories concerning sasquatch, the yeti, the Loch Ness monster, or any number of things--there is no evidence for any of these, only anecdotal stories. Stories that can be more easily explained by more rational explanation. Simply apply Occam's Razor here.

Nobody is making backroom deals with demons. Such lines of thinking are nothing more than a 21st century manifestation of the same paranoia that led to people in the 17th and 18th centuries accusing people of being witches in league with the devil. As an aside: In spite of popular opinion to the contrary, witch-hunting was not a problem of the middle ages, but a problem in the early modern age; in the middle ages belief in witches was harshly condemned by the Church, and witch-hunting was illegal and condemned by both Church and State. So the Salem Witch Trials were not a remnant of medieval superstition, but rather a modern superstition introduced after the end of the middle ages, in early modern times.

It's this same modern superstition that allowed the Satanic Panic of the 1970's and 1980's to happen, and allowing con-artists like Mike Warnke and John Todd to fleece money from beguiled congregations--until they were finally exposed as the frauds they were.

Such fears and paranoia are not of Christ, they have nothing to do with Christianity. They are products of superstition. Fear of people making pacts with the devil has far more in common with ancient Paganism than it does with anything Christian.

Pagans were the ones who believed in, and feared witches; who were fearful of people making deals and pacts with evil spirits in exchange for power. The notion that one can sell one's soul to an evil spirit or trickster god is Pagan--not Christian.

-CryptoLutheran

Lawrence87 said:

If there is intelligent life on other planets it would falsify Christianity

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On what grounds do you make this assertion?

-CryptoLutheran

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Not of this world,you are meaning?

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Is there another definition of extraterrestrial?

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Are angels terrestrial?

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Fallen angels are. At least according to Scripture, for example our Lord says He saw Satan fall like lightning to the earth. In the "great war in heaven" section of the Apocalypse the fallen angels are cast down to the earth.

As much fun as a sci-fi movie titled "Demons From Space" might be in all its "Plan 9 From Outer Space" schlocky glory; that's all this kind of thinking is, bad science fiction.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

In the "great war in heaven"

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I think we can agree that Heaven is not Earth.

Lawrence87 said:

If there is intelligent life on other planets it would falsify Christianity

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I have read plenty of Eastern Orthodox who disagree with you on that.

That said, the general silliness of this thread (spring fever, perhaps?) aside there is a legitimate risk of UFO cults like Heaven’s Gate. Fr. Seraphim Rose also touched on some of the legitimate implications of this thread in his book Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future.[/QUOTE]

Handmaid for Jesus said:

I think we can agree that Heaven is not Earth.

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Revelation 12:4

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

Fallen angels are. At least according to Scripture, for example our Lord says He saw Satan fall like lightning to the earth. In the "great war in heaven" section of the Apocalypse the fallen angels are cast down to the earth.

As much fun as a sci-fi movie titled "Demons From Space" might be in all its "Plan 9 From Outer Space" schlocky glory; that's all this kind of thinking is, bad science fiction.

-CryptoLutheran

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That said, good science fiction can involve demons and Christian themes. The Space Trilogy of CS Lewis comes to mind, especially the brilliant second act, Perelandra, and the dystopian Third Act, evocative of Nineteen Eighty Four, but with Merlin. Also, there was a rather good Doctor Who episode in which the Doctor and Rose Tyler had to rescue a human expedition to an ancient planet in an apparently impossible stable orbit of a black hole. The planet turned out to be a prison for the devil. The result was a scifi-horror masterpiece reminiscent of the classic computer game Doom (in which a teleportation experiment between the two moons of Mars causes Deimos to disappear, having been sent into orbit of “the other place”, and Phobos to be overrun by demons who have turned the crew and the space marines, except for the player character, into zombies). Doom had some brilliant, terrifying visuals, like a control room with flickering displays and bizarre, evil looking out of place objects in the midst of it, like a candelabra with black candles. Its spooky. Fortunately, your character is well armed in the game.

In reality, demons are more dangerous, but easier to eradicate, givem the power of the name of our savior, Jesus Christ, and the sign of the cross. Learning to pray the Jesus Prayer continually is always advisable.

There aren't enough things to worry about in the realm of reality?

Space aliens are really just demons / fallen angels.

Heliocentrism is fake and so is everything you see on tv about world space agencies and space travel.


The Holy Church Fathers told us that Geocentrism is true but no one wants to believe them :

Geocentric Early Church Father Quotes (Long Read)


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Pavel Mosko said:

Yes I think there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that comes together to suggest an End times Scenario like this on the point that UFO and their inhabitants are fallen angel or demons.

1) The Christian Apologist, Hugh Ross actually has done a lot of study on that. He has a ph.d. in Astronomy, and a BA in astrophysics. But he did a lot of study of UFO's because if you are an astronomer you log a lot of time star watching in remote places, where UFO sightings typically are. He noticed a pattern that people who had lots of UFO sightings often had a background in the occult. Because he never saw one, and he had colleges that had many sightings that only spent a small fraction of the time he did star watching etc. Anyway he studied this in the US and Canada, and before the Soviet Union fell, also looked at their UFO phenomenon etc.


2) A number of people have drawn similar kind of conclusions, that UFOs are not space travelers but rather extra dimensional, "non physical" phenomenon.

Interdimensional hypothesis


3)If you look at the testimony of UFO abductees they end up being brain washed with all this new age stuff, that sounds like much of the same basic message of New Age mediums. Quite often they are preoccupied talking about Jesus, but how his message, nature etc. "is misunderstood" etc.


4) Lots of people seem to be primed to want to believe in a kind of UFO Gospel, that life was seeded here by them, and that they are benevolent beings that will save us from ourselves and lead us into enlightenment and help us build a paradise here on Earth.


5) Early Genesis concerning "the Watchers" also mirrors this kind of thing. The angelic sons of God did give the early humans various kinds of technological knowledge.

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The well-known Chuck Missler has videos on many Christian subjects, including this one, here’s one of his videos on YouTube:

Mike Tang said:

Hi,

If aliens existed and countries have been in contact with them in the past, and made deals with the aliens in exchange for advanced technologies and other knowledge... what are the implications of this from the bible's/Christianity's point of view ?


Are the aliens the "fallen angels" /Devil in the bible?

Does this mean that humans made a deal with the Devil for worldly gains ?

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The passage below is the implication. The aliens are the strong delusion and the time is coming when we will be expected to believe that they created us.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

Space aliens are really just demons / fallen angels.

Heliocentrism is fake and so is everything you see on tv about world space agencies and space travel.


The Holy Church Fathers told us that Geocentrism is true but no one wants to believe them :

Geocentric Early Church Father Quotes (Long Read)


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You do know that a majority of Cosmonauts and some Astronauts are Eastern Orthodox? Including Yuri Gagarin, memory eternal (it was Soviet Propaganda that he made an atheist transmission on the radio; my understanding is the inside of his cockpit was so noisy even in orbital flight due to the life support equipment and the poor position of his primitive mic they couldn’t have heard him clearly).

In fact, there is an icon corner in the Russian section of ISS.

And, among the American astronauts, Buzz Aldrin was a Presbyterian deacon, who, as a deacon is permitted to touch the Eucharist directly in every church, as his first act when Eagle landed, did partake of the Eucharist from a special container.

And also you should be aware that the church fathers occasionally made erroneous statements, made statements which were to become obsolete (for example, the ancient canons against the use of Jewish doctors and the prohibition on clergy dining in taverns, or the erroneous entomology and zoology used by Epiphanios of Salamis to a nonetheless hilarious effect in the Panarion). Some early fathers expressed a belief in Chiliasm, which was later deemed a heresy.

So while the consensus patrum, in the form of the ecumenical councils, represents the Holy Tradition of the Orthodox faith, the statements of individual fathers and of councils not received as ecumenical are not infallible.

And in this case, by the way, both heliocentrism and geocentrism are scientifically, objectively false. However from the perspective of human soteriology, in our Christian lives, geocentrism is a reality, until we have colonies on planets.

wandering misfit said:

Am in the conspiracy forum?

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Ive been hanging around this eschatology forum for 19 years and I honestly can’t tell the difference.