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Just out of curiousity, if Mary "was preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin" (Immaculate Conception), why did it take 1,854 years after the birth of Jesus before anyone realized this? How come the Catholic church did not recognize this fact until 1854 AD? It wasnt until Pope Pius IX uttered those words on December 8, 1854, that this doctrine was issued.
Can you show me where in scripture the bible says that Mary was full of Grace? I see in my scriptures that she was highly favored.. Not full of grace.Actually, it was "realized" 9 months before Jesus was born. When the angel addressed her "Hail, full of grace".
And has been discussed in one way or another, since the Early Church, it just wasn't formal defined and decreed until 1854.
Peace be with you...Pam
Actually, it was "realized" 9 months before Jesus was born. When the angel addressed her "Hail, full of grace"...
Actually, it was "realized" 9 months before Jesus was born. When the angel addressed her "Hail, full of grace".
And has been discussed in one way or another, since the Early Church, it just wasn't formal defined and decreed until 1854.
Peace be with you...Pam
28The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.
28And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you."
28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
I do not see full of grace.. Highly favored one blessed among women not above women..28 And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”
How does being addressed this way mean you were born without original sin? How come there is nothing in the scripture that actually says it? I mean, you would think if she were the only exception to the rule (besides God himself as Jesus), it would be specifically mentioned.
The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
45 "And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what had been spoken to her by[32][Lit from ] the Lord."
Can you show me where in scripture the bible says that Mary was full of Grace? I see in my scriptures that she was highly favored.. Not full of grace.
How does being addressed this way mean you were born without original sin?
How come there is nothing in the scripture that actually says it?
I mean, you would think if she were the only exception to the rule (besides God himself as Jesus), it would be specifically mentioned.
A person can't be full of grace, with the stain of original sin.
Is 64
javascript:VClk('Isa 64:4')javascript:VClk('Isa 64:4')javascript:VClk('Isa 64:4')4 For from days of old they have not heard or perceived by ear,
Nor has the eye seen a God besides You,
Who acts in behalf of the one who waits for Him.
5 You meet him who rejoices in doing righteousness,
Who remembers You in Your ways.
Behold, You were angry, for we sinned,
We continued in them a long time;
And shall we be saved?
6 For all of us have become like one who is unclean,
And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment;
And all of us wither like a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
If you had no sin,why would you need grace?
I need grace because i'm a naughty boy.-------------sometimes
KJV
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
NIV
The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."
Original Greek..
kai eiselqwn pros authn eipen xaire kexaritvmenh o kurios meta sou
The word used in the Greek is keharitomeni. Haris is grace..
But...having grace in no way means born without sin...
Same type of wording is used to describe Stephen in Acts 6:8..
plhrhs xaritos
Filled with Grace...was he IC'd as well..?
This scripture being translated from the original greek means Hail favored one.. Not full of grace. This full of grace translation is based on Latin texts..KJV
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
NIV
The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."
Original Greek..
kai eiselqwn pros authn eipen xaire kexaritvmenh o kurios meta sou
The word used in the Greek is keharitomeni. Haris is grace..
But...having grace in no way means born without sin...
Same type of wording is used to describe Stephen in Acts 6:8..
plhrhs xaritos
Filled with Grace...was he IC'd as well..?
KJV
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
NIV
The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."
Original Greek..
kai eiselqwn pros authn eipen xaire kexaritvmenh o kurios meta sou
The word used in the Greek is keharitomeni. Haris is grace..
But...having grace in no way means born without sin.
Same type of wording is used to describe Stephen in Acts 6:8..
plhrhs xaritos
Filled with Grace...was he IC'd as well..?
Grace is unmerrited Favor.. Not sinlessnessHow can a person be full of grace, or highly favored with grace....and also have sin on their soul? She is address with this title, before the Incarnation took place.
No, he wasn't immaculately conceieved, but he was filled with grace, at his baptism.
If haris of keharitoemeni is grace, then even in the translations that render "Higly favored one", would mean she was highly favored with grace, right?
The Douay-Rheims Bible was created at the time of the reformation for the sole purpose of defending held doctrines.
I don't know about you, but I TRY to steer clear of translations that have an agenda.
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