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The White Hart
REPOST, I think this was missed.
We are very sorry. And, while, it does not excuse the problem, it is important to note that the problem existed in other places as well, even if it may have been a bit worse within the Catholic Church, but, we may never know, because many places were it was also strong, are immune from prosecution or lack funds that make law suits worthwhile or compelling to file.
Further, diocese across the US, at least, now require a class, a background check, and fingerprints, in order to carry out an work for the Church with Children.
I am sorry that this itself will likely cause any miraculous assertions to be ineffective in this format. Perhaps seeing very ancient intact bodies or something, such as, you could visit Lourdes?
God did not create the universe from Himself, but from nothing.
That is hardly up to me.
Well, within the context of the rest of what I wrote, I don't think I indicated an impersonal God, even the use of the word 'prophetic' seems to indicate a personal God. This is different from the usual tactic of questioning whether the prophetic nature of Humanae Vitae merely derives from correlation, rather than the causation, due to Natural Law, that the document asserts. Sometimes the degradation of society (such as the increase an divorce and STDs) is simply disregarded, but normally, the cause of these changes is just questioned.
I don't think that disbelieving gravity in general because someone might define it in some what that is incorrect is a reasonable approach.
Because, God, being a personal Being, visited history in a concrete way, to teach mankind about Himself, and also to save them.
Are any of these others old enough to even be considered to be alongside the existing books? Not in most cases. The best answer I get here is usually fudging numbers toward each other. Besides, the Traditions of the Catholic Church (and the Eastern Orthodox) are passed down by bishops, in an unbroken procession from the time of Christ. These are those with exceptional authority to express the reality of God visiting history.
I assume this regards the assertion involving an understanding of humanity, rather than a defining of God.
In all fairness, I don't think Ignosticism, as defined is a reasonable way to approach the existence of a Creator.
Christian believe that knowing God, as a person, is the objective, and not defining Him. This makes more sense, even from a human perspective, as we rarely fully define anything, much less a complex thought or issue, how much less can we reasonably be expected to define God? Christians seek to know God, even if fully defining Him is impossible.
I'm not sure Zeus mythology is old enough to lead Judaism, it seems more likely the Zeus mythology was taken from Judaism or arose independently or perhaps by some strange prophetic means.
To die from seeing God is hardly surprising even if it takes a while to accomplish this, being smitten, or smote, by God.
I think those interpretations of prophecy do not fit in with the rest of the work. And hardly constitute a contradiction.
It seems not so much flaws or contradictions in logic, but a rejection of something much greater than man, that is difficult for man to understand, much less define, that is causing the trouble. Even asserting that God is unable to make contradictions, or that part of Divine Revelation and theology is understanding the exception of the contradiction or perhaps the contradiction can be described in some other way, possibly that agnostics do not see as important.
Why should I trust a corrupt church that hides its own pedophile priests?
We are very sorry. And, while, it does not excuse the problem, it is important to note that the problem existed in other places as well, even if it may have been a bit worse within the Catholic Church, but, we may never know, because many places were it was also strong, are immune from prosecution or lack funds that make law suits worthwhile or compelling to file.
Further, diocese across the US, at least, now require a class, a background check, and fingerprints, in order to carry out an work for the Church with Children.
I am sorry that this itself will likely cause any miraculous assertions to be ineffective in this format. Perhaps seeing very ancient intact bodies or something, such as, you could visit Lourdes?
So are you asserting that this "god" is separate from the known universe?
God did not create the universe from Himself, but from nothing.
How are you supposed to prove that you are indeed receiving divine revelation?
That is hardly up to me.
This sounds more like the Deistic viewpoint of "god". A god that doesn't answer prayers, create miracles or perform divine intervention of any kind. One that simply created the universe then left it alone. Is this the type of god you're telling me to believe in?
Well, within the context of the rest of what I wrote, I don't think I indicated an impersonal God, even the use of the word 'prophetic' seems to indicate a personal God. This is different from the usual tactic of questioning whether the prophetic nature of Humanae Vitae merely derives from correlation, rather than the causation, due to Natural Law, that the document asserts. Sometimes the degradation of society (such as the increase an divorce and STDs) is simply disregarded, but normally, the cause of these changes is just questioned.
There are many things that I'm rather Ignostic/Agnostic towards. Gravity first and foremost. Electro-magnetism is another fundamental force that isn't clearly portrayed on the quantum level the way we view it from the standard level of observation. Why not be Ignostic towards subjects that are already somewhat vague and lacking in description?
I don't think that disbelieving gravity in general because someone might define it in some what that is incorrect is a reasonable approach.
The main staple or quality that seems to be consistent among most definitions of god is that "it" is a "creator". So why shouldn't this "creator" be something entirely abstract, such as a computer program, a black hole, a membrane of reality, or even a quantum particle like the elusive Higgs Boson?
Because, God, being a personal Being, visited history in a concrete way, to teach mankind about Himself, and also to save them.
Don't forget the Apocryphal Gospels and Gnostic texts. There are many different ways to interpret the life of "Jesus", so why is the divine Jesus theory correct?
Are any of these others old enough to even be considered to be alongside the existing books? Not in most cases. The best answer I get here is usually fudging numbers toward each other. Besides, the Traditions of the Catholic Church (and the Eastern Orthodox) are passed down by bishops, in an unbroken procession from the time of Christ. These are those with exceptional authority to express the reality of God visiting history.
Pure supposition.
I assume this regards the assertion involving an understanding of humanity, rather than a defining of God.
The only aspect of "god" that we've actually clarified in any meaningful way is that it's a creator. There's still plenty of wiggle room to interpret so much more.
LoL In all fairness I knew that Christian Theists would probably despise this philosophy, as it tends to demand descriptions of a deity that most of you admit is either unknown or beyond human comprehension. I just thought some of you might be willing to attempt this challenge.
In all fairness, I don't think Ignosticism, as defined is a reasonable way to approach the existence of a Creator.
So does this mean that many of you are more like Agnostic Theists? Let's face it, everyone is born Agnostic, nobody knows anything on the subject until they're taught something about it.
Christian believe that knowing God, as a person, is the objective, and not defining Him. This makes more sense, even from a human perspective, as we rarely fully define anything, much less a complex thought or issue, how much less can we reasonably be expected to define God? Christians seek to know God, even if fully defining Him is impossible.
The only real description I've seen of your god from your holy book would be Ezekiel 1:26-28:
This is sounding beyond absurd to say the least. And for some reason "god" decided to reveal itself in all its "glory" to Ezekiel after denying the request to Moses and saying that it would kill any man who sees it. Which BTW parallels the Greek story of Zeus revealing himself in all his glory to a young maiden whom he slept with, which it then killed her.
I'm not sure Zeus mythology is old enough to lead Judaism, it seems more likely the Zeus mythology was taken from Judaism or arose independently or perhaps by some strange prophetic means.
To die from seeing God is hardly surprising even if it takes a while to accomplish this, being smitten, or smote, by God.
Not only that but this bizarre description comes after what Ezekiel seems to describe as UFO's and aliens coming out of the "clouds". So once again we're back at the hypothesis that "god is an alien", which is not falsifiable and therefore loses its meaning. Is it supposed to be an eternal flame entity? An immortal man on fire? An alien who appears to be on fire? A being composed of lava? It's just not very clear what's going on there.
I think those interpretations of prophecy do not fit in with the rest of the work. And hardly constitute a contradiction.
Because of these obvious flaws and contradictions in the definition of "god", the Agnostic Neutralist position ultimately triumphs at the end of the day. I just use Ignosticism to reinforce my neutrality on the matter, much like the way an Ignostic Atheist would use the philosophy to justify their reasoning as to why no god exists.
It seems not so much flaws or contradictions in logic, but a rejection of something much greater than man, that is difficult for man to understand, much less define, that is causing the trouble. Even asserting that God is unable to make contradictions, or that part of Divine Revelation and theology is understanding the exception of the contradiction or perhaps the contradiction can be described in some other way, possibly that agnostics do not see as important.
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