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If you say "I believe in light" can I say "ah, the action of protons" and ignore you?

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Hi there,

Look there seems to be something desperately wrong with this idea, that you can take someone's belief, whatever it may be, give a causal explanation, even a very poor one and then just dismiss anything else that person has to say, out of hand. I mean, saying there is an explanation is one thing, but dismissing every other belief someone has because you can summarize a part of it, doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

Like if I say "Giving people water will solve a lot of the world's problems" you can't just then say "ah, water, doesn't fix every problem" and expect that to be an end of the conversation, surely? Or complain and say "often has fluoride, not good" and think that no more needs to be said, right? I mean what is it that holds a conversation together, is it not belief in each other and what you stand for? How does a difference of opinion suddenly wreck that? Doesn't that seem a little unfair to you?

It seems to me that people have forgotten that Jesus needs us, that He is dependent on us for His representation. There is a very real sense in the idea that if we just start walking away from each other, as I have been describing, we will destroy His Soul, the heartbeat of His Message, to be One. You don't think that is going to irk God, you think the fact that God has no more wrath for those that believe in Him means that those that undercut His Work will get a free pass, anyway? I don't think it works like that. I don't think God singles people out anymore, I think we have the benefit of the doubt, but there are blessings, favour, that we may never get, or have hope of getting if we don't work together on this.

With me?

EDIT: I mean I would say Philosophy has to step up to the plate here, wouldn't you?
 

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once more I am sorry sir, but (I mean this with no disrespect) what you just said comes across...as...well...gibberish. I hope I am not the only one who cant make heads or tails of this.
 
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Yes….. we Christians tend to disobey this admonition:


"Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.

This basic idea should include how we discuss various topics related to philosophy.
 
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interesting

I will think about that some more

In a way……. an extreme example of this principle was shown to near death experiencer Dr. George Ritchie back in 1943:


near-death.com/ritchie.html


……….

 
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