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I'm kind of amused w/ this
It just seems funny (odd) that I started this thread and now, here we are talking about Mormons! I am a devout Roman Catholic who has studied my faith rather in-depth.
The narrow road to life, my potential brother in the faith.Jesus said that Few find the Narrow Way to Heaven
Good point.Yet it is amazing that we have all these once-saved-always-saved folks, apparently, going on and on about how humans cannotsave themselves. Well, Who does not know that?
Jesus died on a cross, paying the penalty for our sins. But how does that translate into: you don't have to DO anything? no good works... no working out your salvation w/ fear and trembling... (Phil 2:12)... nope, Jesus did everything. All I have to do is accept it
Where is that in the Bible? It isn't!
You seem to be a reasonable person. Logic is important to you.(not that Catholics are sola scriptura...)
it scares me to think of all the false religions there are in the world, many of which claim to be Christian, but they teach grave error. JESUS SAID FEW MAKE it
so that tosses out the once saved always saved nonsense right there
I think at the start the term "Mormon" was not considered to be so bad - it made sense because of the Book of Mormon - and it got the word out.I'm checking up what you say, from secular sources, and I can see how what you are saying would be true.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, informally known as the LDS Church or Mormon Church, is a restorationist, nontrinitarian Christian denomination that is the largest denomination in the Latter Day Saint movement.Joseph Smith formally organized the church as the Church of Christ, on April 6, 1830, in western New York; the church's name was later changed to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. : 627 n. 73 Initial converts were drawn to the church in part because of the newly published Book of Mormon, a self-described chronicle of indigenous American prophets that Smith said he had translated from golden plates.
I think what is happening here, is that persons might not have thoroughly research this, and may be speaking with limited knowledge.
Also, there may be a need to try to understand.
From what is stated here:
After Smith's death in 1844, the movement split into several groups following different leaders; the majority followed Brigham Young, while smaller groups followed Joseph Smith III, Sidney Rigdon, and James Strang. Most of these smaller groups eventually merged into the Community of Christ, and the term Mormon typically refers to members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), as today, this branch is far larger than all the others combined. People who identify as Mormons may also be independently religious, secular, and non-practicing or belong to other denominations. Since 2018, the LDS Church has emphasized a desire for its members be referred to as "members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", or more simply as "Latter-day Saints".[3]
What I understand from this, is, while some sects, or members of Latter Day Saints, or breakaways may have accepted the term Mormon, it was not recognized by the main group, or it's leaders.
I can understand that, because individuals of a group might not have a clear understanding of the religion they belong to, and use terms in a way that is not acceptable to the leaders.
Worst yet, when you have splinter sects, going their own way, it's easy to see how the misunderstanding can expand, where the terminology is used loosely, and viewed as, or even accepted.
I hope I am at least close to understanding.
I accept any correction, from those on the inside, who know better than I do, and better than the secular world that sometimes do not fully grasp what they are considering.
Thanks again.
I can understand how you are feeling at this time.
I experienced something similar, and I know the feeling.
Most people are not reasonable though, so I think, we should expect and try to get used to that.
The Bible did prophecy that in the last days men would be "without natural affection, implacable, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, not lovers of those who are good". 2 timothy 3:3
If you ever have any questions about Latter-day Saint doctrine or history. I am available. We agree on more than we disagree.I'm kind of amused w/ this
It just seems funny (odd) that I started this thread and now, here we are talking about Mormons! I am a devout Roman Catholic who has studied my faith rather in-depth.
Jesus said that Few find the Narrow Way to Heaven
Yet it is amazing that we have all these once-saved-always-saved folks, apparently, going on and on about how humans cannotsave themselves. Well, Who does not know that?
Jesus died on a cross, paying the penalty for our sins. But how does that translate into: you don't have to DO anything? no good works... no working out your salvation w/ fear and trembling... (Phil 2:12)... nope, Jesus did everything. All I have to do is accept it
Where is that in the Bible? It isn't!
(not that Catholics are sola scriptura...)
it scares me to think of all the false religions there are in the world, many of which claim to be Christian, but they teach grave error. JESUS SAID FEW MAKE it
so that tosses out the once saved always saved nonsense right there
Nope. That's not it. At all.Maybe not completely, since your heart is not mine, but yes, I do. I too feel for them sometimes, and have an idea what you are referring too.
I prefer not to spell it out at this moment though, so I hope you won't ask.
On second thought...
@Estrid does it have anything to do with how they are all one body in Christ, and yet they argue about every "blessed" thing in the Bible, and each have their own interpretation which is right, and the others are clearly wrong... Yet they are one body - Christians?
That last line is the worse one.. Way to many Christians live in fear of this, or worse yet, deny they live in fear of this.. yet preach itNope. That's not it. At all.
Of course " they" dont all bicker, nor do i feel sorry for,all.
It's a very wide range of feelings.
I feel sorry for varrious Christians, for a wide variety of reasons.
Those who sacrifice the rewards of this life for one that isn't coming.
People who think they must believe clear falsehoods or
face torture. Who make intellectual dishonesty a virtue in their minds.
Those who live in fear that they won't make it to heaven.
The list is long
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I'd add you to my list of those for whom I feelThat last line is the worse one.. Way to many Christians live in fear of this, or worse yet, deny they live in fear of this.. yet preach it
Sadly how many find the peace of God that surpasses all understanding? Satan wants to take that from us.
why do you feel sorry for me?I'd add you to my list of those for whom I feel
sorry.
Being constantly beset by a supernatural being
of pure evil, vastly more clever than i, a consumate
master of deception.
It's very sad to live that way.
Please don't feed the trolls.why do you feel sorry for me?
Why do you think My God is evil?
Okay. Thanks.If you ever have any questions about Latter-day Saint doctrine or history. I am available.
You have quite a lot of strong feeling, and I am sure you believe strongly that you are right about all of them.Nope. That's not it. At all.
Of course " they" dont all bicker, nor do i feel sorry for,all.
It's a very wide range of feelings.
I feel sorry for varrious Christians, for a wide variety of reasons.
Those who sacrifice the rewards of this life for one that isn't coming.
People who think they must believe clear falsehoods or
face torture. Who make intellectual dishonesty a virtue in their minds.
Those who live in fear that they won't make it to heaven.
The list is long
There's nothing to respond to when youOkay. Thanks.
You have quite a lot of strong feeling, and I am sure you believe strongly that you are right about all of them.
Thanks for sharing.
Perhaps taking time to talk about these reasonably, might be worth your while... on another thread of course.
Take care of yourself.
Can I ask just one question, since we are here.
Why do you spend time engaging Christians if you feel they are living on a "pipe dream"? Is it that you hope to learn something from them, or you like hearing them talk about things you don't consider real?
You described " satan ". That is ratherwhy do you feel sorry for me?
Why do you think My God is evil?
A lot can be explained by projection and malignant "othering".Okay. I did not realize I was making things up. My apologies.
It's kinda serious when a person losesA lot can be explained by projection and malignant "othering".
well thats too bad.You described " satan ". That is rather
obviously what i referred to.
And as I don't believe your god is real
I cannot very well think it's evil.
If you just keep making things up I doubtwell thats too bad.
Satan is evil. God is a God of love. so much is my God a God of love he came to earth to die for his creation..
if thats evil in your eyes. then I do not know how to help you
well if I just made it up. You may be correct. But I did not just make it upIf you just keep making things up I doubt
anyone can help you.
ah Your one of those. you either agree with you, or leave you alonePlease stop addressing me since it's clear you
are going to keep making up weird things to
say about me.
She did the same to me. It's sad.well if I just made it up. You may be correct. But I did not just make it up
ah Your one of those. you either agree with you, or leave you alone
I did not make anything up period..
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