If God loves us, why does he send us to hell?

dollarsbill · Apr 3, 2012

Timothew said:
I'm not ignoring them. I believe the second death death is everlasting and eternal, unlike the first death which ends with resurrection.

Your comment 'first death' proves that death does not mean 'cease to exist'.

Core90 · Apr 3, 2012

I'm a youth advisor with my church's youth group as well. Basically the approach the youth leader has decided to answer this question if this. First of all, he showed the class a video.
I can't post links yet, but it's on Youtube and called the Good-O-Meter.
Basically what we're trying to get across is that going to Heaven is not something you can achieve on your own whatsoever. Like in the video, you can offer God all the good things you've done, but it's never going to be enough to get you to Heaven. A man would have to live the absolute perfect life, sin-free, to be good enough to get to Heaven on his own. Of course, only one man has and that was Jesus Christ, he died on the cross, to take our place. It is nothing any man can do on his own, except for placing our faith in Jesus and the sacrifice that took our sins away.
From there, it is our choice. God does not desire to see anyone go to Hell. We choose to put our faith in Him, or to not put our faith in Him. We choose Heaven or Hell.

anunbeliever · Apr 4, 2012

Core90 said:
it's on Youtube and called the Good-O-Meter.
Basically what we're trying to get across is that going to Heaven is not something you can achieve on your own whatsoever...A man would have to live the absolute perfect life, sin-free, to be good enough to get to Heaven on his own.

Thats all well and good. But its not the question being asked in this thread. I dont have a problem with God requiring a perfect standard for entrance into Heaven. But why is hell the only other option?

We choose Heaven or Hell.

That leads to the core question of this thread. Why would God make it that hell is the only other "choice"? Why not oblivion?

dollarsbill · Apr 4, 2012

anunbeliever said:
But why is hell the only other option?

There's somewhere besides Heaven or Hell?

dollarsbill · Apr 4, 2012

anunbeliever said:
That leads to the core question of this thread. Why would God make it that hell is the only other "choice"? Why not oblivion?

Because 'oblivion' is not a Biblical option.

Timothew · Apr 4, 2012

dollarsbill said:
Your comment 'first death' proves that death does not mean 'cease to exist'.

Why do you think that?

Timothew · Apr 4, 2012

anunbeliever said:
Thats all well and good. But its not the question being asked in this thread. I dont have a problem with God requiring a perfect standard for entrance into Heaven. But why is hell the only other option?

That leads to the core question of this thread. Why would God make it that hell is the only other "choice"? Why not oblivion?

That is what the bible says.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 says "these pay the penalty of eternal destruction" not eternal torture in hell.
Romans 6:23 says "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our lord."
John 3:16 says the choice is eternal life or perishing.

dollarsbill · Apr 4, 2012

Timothew said:
That is what the bible says.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 says "these pay the penalty of eternal destruction" not eternal torture in hell.
Romans 6:23 says "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our lord."
John 3:16 says the choice is eternal life or perishing.

If you had continued reading you would have found this.

John 3:36 (NASB)
36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

Timothew · Apr 4, 2012

dollarsbill said:
If you had continued reading you would have found this.

John 3:36 (NASB)
36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

I know, I agree with that. The wrath means that they will not see life. That's what I've been saying all along.

dollarsbill · Apr 4, 2012

Timothew said:
I know, I agree with that. The wrath means that they will not see life. That's what I've been saying all along.

Read it again. The wicked " will not see life" but " the wrath of God abides on him." They still exist.

Timothew · Apr 5, 2012

dollarsbill said:
Read it again. The wicked " will not see life" but " the wrath of God abides on him." They still exist.

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

I agree with this.

dollarsbill · Apr 5, 2012

Timothew said:
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

I agree with this.

a·bide
   [uh-bahyd] Show IPA verb, a·bode or a·bid·ed, a·bid·ing.
verb (used without object)
1.
to remain; continue; stay: Abide with me.

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Timothew · Apr 6, 2012

dollarsbill said:
a·bide
   [uh-bahyd] Show IPA verb, a·bode or a·bid·ed, a·bid·ing.
verb (used without object)
1.
to remain; continue; stay: Abide with me.

Abides | Define Abides at Dictionary.com

Yes, the wrath of God stays on him. Who can withstand the wrath of God?
No-one. The wrath of God consumes them. They will not continue to exist.

dollarsbill · Apr 6, 2012

Timothew said:
They will not continue to exist.

Contradiction. The wrath of God cannot ABIDE on those who don't exist.

apocolypticremedy999 · Apr 6, 2012

Because of fear, people often deny everything about hell, even though the evdience of its existence is quite clear throughout the Bible. Whether anyone wants to accept it or not, hell is just for God is just. Who is man to question God or his justice, when God's understanding is infinite and man's is so limited? Remember, God knows every heart and every thought and motive thereof just as he knows the numbers of hairs on every head. Therefore I know that he knows what everyone deserves better than us. If he sees it just to send evil doers to burn for all eternity in a fire that can never be quenched, then it is and there is no questioning that no matter how you look at it. You are mortal man, he is God; do not question his justice. There will be no one that will burn in hell that didn't deserve it. I say that even though technically all sinners deserve it, yet some more than others and yet God offers his grace to all and those who accept it and are also accepted by God will surely by proven worthy of eternal life in heaven and in the presence of the Almighty God. God will not allow one single hair on even one of his chlidren to be singed by the intensly hot flames of hell and he will show them worthy of eternal life. Let not man in his self-righteousness consider him more righteous than God in anything to scoff at God about anything including hell just because he doesn't think it's fair, esp when every sinner has plenty of opportunities to repent and be saved through the name of Jesus Christ. What excuse has anyone? God is perfect, therefore so is his justice. It doesn't matter which way you look at it, you are not the omniscient God who knows every secret hidden in the thick pitch black darkness of corruption.

Timothew · Apr 7, 2012

The wages of sin is death. The bible says so. Because of fear, people often deny that the result of sin is death, even though this is made clear throughout the bible. Whether anyone wants to accept it or not, the death penalty for sin is just, because God is just. Who is man to question God or his justice, when God's understanding is infinite and man's is so limited? Remember, God knows every heart and every thought and motive thereof just as he knows the numbers of hairs on every head. Therefore I know that he knows what everyone deserves better than us. If he sees it just to resurrect evil doers and then send them to their second death which destroys them forever with their evil, then there is no questioning that no matter how you look at it. You are mortal man, he is God; do not question his justice. There will be no one that dies the second death that didn't deserve it. I say that even though technically all sinners deserve death, God offers his grace and eternal life to all who will accept it. Let not man in his self-righteousness consider him more righteous than God in anything to scoff at God about anything including the wages of sin being death and not eternal torture just because they think that God should torture people against His own nature as God. God has given every evil doer plenty of opportunities to repent of their sin which leads to death and be saved through the name of Jesus Christ and be given eternal life instead of death. What excuse has anyone? God is perfect, therefore so is his justice. His word says that the wages of sin is death. It doesn't matter which way you look at it, apocolypticremedy999, you are not the omniscient God who knows every secret hidden in the thick pitch black darkness of corruption.

brohammer26 · Apr 7, 2012

I believe that hell is real I just wonder about all the people before christ came and all of the different cultures that have not been introduced to jesus, and all of those that had negative peer/parent influences that made religion a joke etc..Me thinks it has to do always with thoughts/actions/heart

But then I wonder of those who have only known love through abuse/pain/violence...the ones who turn to murders and molestors and such...they only do what they know. I imagine there is still some form of accountability for all actions no matter how terrible they are.

apocolypticremedy999 · Apr 7, 2012

Timothew said:
The wages of sin is death. The bible says so. Because of fear, people often deny that the result of sin is death, even though this is made clear throughout the bible. Whether anyone wants to accept it or not, the death penalty for sin is just, because God is just. Who is man to question God or his justice, when God's understanding is infinite and man's is so limited? Remember, God knows every heart and every thought and motive thereof just as he knows the numbers of hairs on every head. Therefore I know that he knows what everyone deserves better than us. If he sees it just to resurrect evil doers and then send them to their second death which destroys them forever with their evil, then there is no questioning that no matter how you look at it. You are mortal man, he is God; do not question his justice. There will be no one that dies the second death that didn't deserve it. I say that even though technically all sinners deserve death, God offers his grace and eternal life to all who will accept it. Let not man in his self-righteousness consider him more righteous than God in anything to scoff at God about anything including the wages of sin being death and not eternal torture just because they think that God should torture people against His own nature as God. God has given every evil doer plenty of opportunities to repent of their sin which leads to death and be saved through the name of Jesus Christ and be given eternal life instead of death. What excuse has anyone? God is perfect, therefore so is his justice. His word says that the wages of sin is death. It doesn't matter which way you look at it, apocolypticremedy999, you are not the omniscient God who knows every secret hidden in the thick pitch black darkness of corruption.

Is there a reason you used my same words to make your point? I look at that as mimicking and mocking. I wish you wouldn't have done that. I honestly can't stand it when people plagerize my words and twist them.

You keep your views points whether you like or dislike the concept of hell, but do not twist my words.

BriBrit · Apr 7, 2012

Brohammer26, my sentiments entirely. If salvation is through no other name but Jesus and millions of people over time never had the chance to believe on Him are they nonetheless sent to hell for simply not knowing? Somehow this does not make sense to me especially when I consider God's amazing love and that Jesus died for all and all are justified (at least objectively) in Him (Romans 5:18).

Timothew · Apr 7, 2012

apocolypticremedy999 said:
Is there a reason you used my same words to make your point? I look at that as mimicking and mocking. I wish you wouldn't have done that. I honestly can't stand it when people plagerize my words and twist them.

You keep your views points whether you like or dislike the concept of hell, but do not twist my words.

Yes, there is a reason. Your opinion about God's justice does not make that "God's Justice." You said "Who is man to question God?" Why couldn't I say the very same thing? You imply that if I disagree with YOU actually I'm disagreeing with God. But I'm not. So turnabout is fair play.

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