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I still crave the world.

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AudioArtist

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I have to make an admission...

This Christian buisiness is good, but very hard. I can deal with having faith in an invisible, silent God who "works in mysterious ways", and He is transforming me. But I still crave the world!

My friends get drunk and have fun. I have to admit, I enjoy drinking with them sometimes. I keep having temptations about other things too, including pot. I haven't touched the stuff in months, but that feeling of wanting to experience it while listening to strange music keeps returning.

I don't know. I feel very restricted, like all I can do is make music, read books, and watch films while everyone else can party in various states of mind. I know God's rules are for the best, but sometimes, I still want what the "world" offers.

Does anyone understand?
 
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I think everyone understands....if they were honest!!!
Even God knew we couldn't make it without His sacrififce
that we could be drawn back in...But the more you fill youself with the things of God..really the less you want to do those things.....because the wages of sin is death, but through Him and by His Spirit we are made strong, and have life eternal...It is a daily battle for some of us...but it is a spiritual battle.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].


I will pray you will always be an overcomer!!!!
 
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audioartist.hmm maybe this will help.i dont know though..ask God to show you how fun He is..to have mercy..to show you how fun and awesome He is..God is a really fun God..i know...i will give you an example.i have a gift..of dreams and visions..one dream i had..Jesus talked to me..then I turned around and play fought with God Almighty..it was for fun.it was cool...He really is a fun God..full of joy and strength..the joy of the Lord is your strength.
i pray audioartist..that God will show you this..that you will learn how free and awesome it is to serve God..i pray joy and hope into you..and i pray mercy ..Lord please help Him..show him your ways Lord..show him how much you love Him and want to bless him.and to use him..i pray this in Jesus name amen
 
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Thanks for the help.

I guess the reward for staying on the true path is eternal life. But sometimes, I can't see the harm in having a bit of fun in the "bad" sense. I wish I could see this fun side of God, but most of the time it's a struggle to keep the faith and to find the value in the fact that He has chosen me.

Maybe if I was being used by Him in a more obvious way, then I wouldn't be so concerned with such matters.

I'm sure this is just a mood that will pass.
 
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My young friend, my little brother in Christ. It was never anything you did of yourself that saved you in the first place. It will never be anything of yourself that keeps you.

The Lord Himself will work in you to bring you away from these things. You my friend, set your mind only on this one thing. Look into the face of our Lord every time you are able.

In those times you are not able, please do not beat yourself for something my beloved Lord has paid for.

Know you are loved.
 
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Oh AA...don't see it as God's rules! He wrote His law on your heart not to make you feel restricted...but to let you feel free in the Lord. And yes, I understand...I have to die to the flesh on a daily basis. Sanctification can feel like a slow progress sometimes...but that's ok...God does not condemn you if you fall...

Psalm 37:23-24 The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord, and He delights in his way. Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down; for the Lord upholds him with His hand.

If you mess up...you don't ever surprise God...And just like for the Israelites...He's there encouraging you, saying, "Choose Life!" You've been blessed with many older brothers and sisters in the Lord who are praying for you to be strengthened through Christ who lives in you.

Bless you.
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AudioArtist said:
Thankyou Soldout and Hisgirl, you're both always amazingly helpful.

It's not your "choices" that matter my friend. You have already made any kind of "choice" you will ever make. You are my brother by the sovreign will of God Himself. Nothing can ever alter that.

When Joshua was telling the people to make a "choice", he was speaking to those who were already God's people. He was calling them to repentance. Something you also have already done.

If your desires lead you to a place God does not want you to be, He will tell you my friend. And the Holy Spirit will give you everything you need to accomplish just exactly what God wants accomplished.

Rest in Him.

No worries.
 
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I'll offer my advice, but I hope it won't spark a heavy debate. Take it or leave it.

My view, Audioartist, is that you are not under law. I mean that in every sense of the word. If you want to drink, drink. If you want to get high, get high. Nothing is unlawful to us, as Paul put it.
I've been in your situation, and quitting has never worked for me. But when I decided to allow myself to do all those "sins", it turned out that I did them less and less. They became less interesting and tempting. God gave me a new life, a new way to live, which is not based on "do/do not" but on love and freedom.

Train up your senses by using them. God doesn't intend for you do be or feel restricted.
 
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Amen and Amen. But so few people understand my brother.

And they would be shocked to know that CS Lewis understood.

He said that if the devil accuses you, then flaunt it in his face.

But you don't read much about that do you?....
 
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I understand what you're going through. Lust (any kind of lust) is not easy to beat. Two of the best solutions to the problem lay in prayer and self-control. If you feel like you want to smoke some pot, or get drunk with your friends then distance yourself from those things whenever you feel the urge to do them. For instance, say you're out with your friends one night. If you think you might drink too much because you're with your pals, then leave early, and don't drink and drive. If your friends are prone to drinking too much and driving afterwards, then make sure that someone is there to get them home. (Note, drinking is not a sin, but getting drunk is. The key is to have restraint, never binge, it is not good for you or those around you).

I find that prayer is also an important defense that can be taken for granted. When you are tempted to do something wrong, then pray for help; pray for restraint, rest in God's wisdom, not in your own understanding. Drugs and alcohol only give a temporary buzz; they can all too easily become escapes, and lead to life problems. Don't get caught up in that, no matter how fun it seems at the time.

Remember that we are more than conquerers. But if we can't overcome our sinful desires (our "flesh"), then what exactly can we overcome?

holo said:
Nothing is unlawful to us, as Paul put it.
True, but don't leave out the other half of that statement: while nothing is unlawful, not everything is beneficial - to us, or in our walk, or as witnesses.
 
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AA, I do understand too!

Here's the deal: because you are born of God, you belong to Him. Your spirit is seated with Him in heavenly places. But you are parting out your soul. I've been there. I desired the fun, the laughter, etc...... I thought it wouldn't hurt to do this, and it wouldn't hurt to do that...... but I found myself living what could be described more and more as a double life. I went to church every Sunday and to bars every Friday night, sometimes more than that. I read My Utmost For His Highest and the books of Carlos Casteneda. I took communion and dropped acid. I sung in the church choir and lived in sin with my boyfriend. yadda-yadda-yadda...... One day while Wade was at work, I was lying across the bed reading my bible. Yup! Reading the Bible. I did that too. Lately the Lord had been giving me tunes to the Psalms, and I was enjoying that. (Wonderful how He draws us back by our heartstrings, the same strings that led us astray.....) I will never forget that day. I was singing Psalm 86 -- ".... Teach me your way, O LORD, and I will walk in your truth; give me an undivided heart --" I couldn't go any further. I sang that line again -- "give me an undivided heart" -- it became a prayer -- I realized that this was ME and if David (who REALLY screwed up) could pray this, then I could too, and God would answer me too!

Long story short, my life CHANGED after that day. Just months later -- I was a missionary in Siberia. No kidding. Finding joy that I had never imagined in the things of God.

We have to be willing to have our desires changed. I did have to walk away from Wade, both of us in tears, get rid of my Castaneda books, cut off my drug connections, even stop singing in the folk music group I loved, because those associations tended to lead me to the other things. It was not easy -- but it had become more important to me to have my heart back together than it was to indulge myself in all of those things. Along the way, He healed my waywardness! (Hosea 14:4)

blessings and FIRE on you, bro
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Jesus understands. He was the only person to ever not give in to temptation... that means He was tempted more then everyone else, he felt the full force of temptation!

I get tempted. I once was younger (I'm not old BUT I was younger once) I never experimented with anything... I dived right in, never was interested in drugs so avoided that, but I drank alcohol like it was water, tequila, vodka, rum, beer, whatever I could get my hands on... I met girls and slept with them too...and when I wanted to stop IT WAS SO HARD TO STOP!

I eventually decided that being a drunken idiot living a lifestyle of risky sex wasn't right for me (DUH!) I gave my heart back to Jesus and I have never done anything wrong since.

LOL! Just teasing, if it was that easy it would be worth nothing.

I gave my heart back to God, and ever since it has been a battle to keep living according to the Spirit and not to the flesh. The Holy Spirit lives inside of us and fights against the desres of the flesh... but guess what, He needs your help (shut up it's not heresy) God expects us to do everything that we can to work with Him to live a right life.

You have to make the decision that you want to live for God and then back it up. If that means not hanging out with our friends who are losers (if you are heading to hell and ruining your life on earth who could be more of a loser?), then stop doing it! Avoid temptation rather then confronting it, if you are not around drinkers you are less likely to drink, feed the part of you that wants to do right, starve the part of you that wants to do wrong...


peace
 
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Hi AA~

Well, you struggle with what we all do. The sins of the flesh.

Sometimes it is very appropriate to cut-off wordly friendships until you are able to handle those ties without temptation. Going "out" with your friends when they are going to be doing those things is NOT appropriate for a christian anyway!

You need an older man who is wise in the Lord ~ maybe your Pastor, Youth Pastor or and Elder, to mentor you. Also, it would be wise to spend your free time ministering to young people. God is looking for young men and women like you who are sold out to God and ready to press into a passionate pursuit of Him!

Keep pressing in!

"You are loved by God and you are a lover of God" ~From The Pleasures of Loving God by Mike Bickle

Bless you AA

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All of the posts are great, and so is the OP as well.

Sorry -- the "craving" for destructive things of our life before Jesus Christ will never cease.

They can get less intense -- but they'll always show up when you least expect or want them to.

So you're goal isn't to "lose" the cravings but learn how to walk according to your spirit/Spirit rather than walking by your flesh.

In fact, St. Francis wrote a hymn once in which he sang praises to "Death" -- longing for the time when this corpse will be under the ground, never to push us toward sin again.

Here are two verses which can be really helpful -- both dealing with a "two-edged sword".

Now -- at times through the centuries, armies would make two-edged swords. The Romans made a two-edged sword of iron, which was one of the main reasons they conquered all the known world. They made this sword from iron (harder than the swords of the "barbarian" tribes they conquered -- able to cut through swords of brass or bronze.) And they made it with sharpened edges on both sides of the blade (able to cut both directions in swinging it in battle.) This two-edged sword was like the most technologically advanced "wonder-weapon" of its day and time.​
So when the Bible speaks of the "two-edged sword", it's speaking of the sharpest, most sophisticated weapon known to humankind at that time.

And these two passages use it as a prophetic picture. One is in the New the other in the Old Testament.

First one is Heb 4:

The "rest" mentioned in verse 11 is the "rest" of the Promised Land the Sabbath in the Old Testament. God had called Israel into the kind of "rest" that comes when you really, really trust God and believe in Him. In other words, the reason Israel failed to ever fully conquer the Promised Land was that they didn't completely trust God. God said they could "rest" in Him -- even if they went on the battlefield, it was God Who would give them the victory -- if they'd trust Him.

But they couldn't enter into Victory because they didn't trust God. They never could "rest" in God having done a good enough "work" in their lives.

The point of verse 11 is that if we trust God, we also can enter into a place of "rest" -- depending on His promises and His Spirit to bring us into full, spiritual victory.

If your "new life in Christ" started by the Holy Spirit ministering Life and Grace to you, then you can "rest" in His continuing to bring spiritual maturity into your life. [See Galatians 3.3]

But verse 12 tells one of the Keys to receiving the ministry of the Holy Spirit in your growing spiritually: it's the Word of God.

It says that the Word of God is "sharper than any two-edged sword", so penetrating as to be able to divide "soul and spirit, joints and marrow". My old professor used to point out that you should group these into two groups -- "soul and spirit" are our spirit/Spirit, and "joints and morrow" refer to our flesh.

Looking at it like this, the Word of God (like a sword) is able to cut between that which is of the Spirit inside us and that which is of the flesh (carnal sins).

The next line says of the Word of God that "it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."

So, practical thought #1: Don't get away from the Word of God. Fellowship at places where not only is it preached and taught, but you sense a spiritual liveliness to its teaching. Don't leave the Bible unread and unstudied in your own life. As you "feed" God's Word, it will help cut between the Spirit in you and your sin-leaning flesh, and it will clarify your mind, helping you to see the truth about the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Second one is Psalm 149, focused on worship:

The "two-edged sword" in verse 6 of the psalm is parallel to the "high praises of God in their mouths".

Notice how this is very similar to the picture of Jesus when He comes again, in Rev 1.16:
He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.

There is a "two-edged sword" that comes out of our mouths when we praise God!!!

It says, "high praises, and in the original Hebrew (Old Testament), "high praises" meant "praises" that are "raising" up -- and not only are they "rising upwards to God', they're "raising up our souls" from the pits into which we often fall.

So, practical thought #2: Don't get away from Worshipping God with your mouth!

Brandish that sword!!! Cut down and execute God's enemies of sin and lustful passions and love of the things of the world!!!

Here's #1 and #2 combined:

Press into God -- press into God through His Word and through your Worship!


KingdomScribe

P.S. Here's a simple but powerful TIP: If you press into God more in Word and Worship, and if you hang around with those who also press into God more in Word and Worship...

...you'll be hanging around the right people!!! ks
 
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Many years ago, when I was 20 years of age, I 'met' God for the first time. This was when I heard His voice in my heart for the first time. One thing that was worrying me was whether I was being a true Christian or not. So I asked Him how I can be a true Christian.

He replied: "Be yourself."
me: "How can I just 'be myself'?
Everyone will see how sinful I really am.
I'm trying so hard to be a holy person."
Him: "Stop struggling and trying. If I don't like you,
I will change you."

That settled it for me. I stopped trying to be super spiritual, and relaxed. I did what came natural to me. Over a period of time, my life changed out of sight to what it was. If I got off the track, something in my heart checked me. Sometimes those whom I respected corrected me.

To make it work, you have to be open for correction, and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you. If you try too hard to be like a mature, spiritual Christian when you are still young, it will come over as false. Growth is natural, even in grace. It takes time to develop maturity. Relax, enjoy your life, be open to God and the instruction of His Word, and you will find that the things that God does not like, you will lose the desire for.

Your friends will change. By that, I mean that you will leave some of your more worldly friends behind as you grow in God. Your interests will change, and those friends who are not prepared to grow God's way will go off in other directions.

You will gain new friends along your journey. These will be ones who will fit in with your developing interests.

If you are really serious about following Christ, you will want the Holy Spirit to change you into what is acceptable to Him. You will be prepared to listen to mature Christians and those who are discipling you. You will enjoy and get a lot of satisfaction with every new lesson learned from the Lord.

Look forward to some great times ahead!
 
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If you are still craving the world, it is because you haven't yet given yourself fully to The Lord. He wants all of us, not part of us. That sounds difficult, but I assure you that it only SOUNDS difficult, and is easy if you decide in your heart to do it. If you do you not focus on your service to god, then the world will continually creep into your desires. LIVE to be a blessing to Him. Grow spiritually. When you grow spiritually and shed your carnality, that which once gave you pleasure will no longer.
 
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