I Obey, Therefore I Am Loved and Accepted.

brotherjerry · Feb 9, 2016

Grace can not be a gift, it is because of Grace that God gave us the gift of salvation. You cannot "give grace", because grace is something you have to give, it is you, through your actions you share or can give of that grace by giving someone something. You can show your grace by giving a homeless person a meal. Your grace is not the gift you are giving that homeless person, the meal is.

Being saved is the gift talked of in Ephesians. Through faith we accept that salvation talked of in Ephesians. Salvation is offered by God because of His grace that is talked about in Ephesians.

EmSw · Feb 9, 2016

thatbrian said:
Which nations are these? Could you list them?

Let's see, last time I checked, 'every' meant 'every'. Do you agree?

Here's how the Free Dictionary defines 'every' - 'constituting each and all members of a group without exception'.

I like how it defines it with 'without exception'.

Steeno7 · Feb 9, 2016

Thursday said:
Ignore the bible if it makes you feel better, but know that it is not a good practice.

It's not the Bible I am ignoring.

Thursday · Feb 9, 2016

brotherjerry said:
Grace can not be a gift, it is because of Grace that God gave us the gift of salvation.

Grace is God acting in or on our lives. Of course God can give grace.

Grace enables us to follow God's will and to know God's will.

Thursday · Feb 9, 2016

Steeno7 said:
It's not the Bible I am ignoring.

OK

EmSw · Feb 9, 2016

brotherjerry said:
Grace can not be a gift, it is because of Grace that God gave us the gift of salvation. You cannot "give grace", because grace is something you have to give, it is you, through your actions you share or can give of that grace by giving someone something. You can show your grace by giving a homeless person a meal. Your grace is not the gift you are giving that homeless person, the meal is.

Being saved is the gift talked of in Ephesians. Through faith we accept that salvation talked of in Ephesians. Salvation is offered by God because of His grace that is talked about in Ephesians.

Since grace isn't a gift, what did you pay for it? Could you afford it?

ToBeLoved · Feb 9, 2016

EmSw said:
Let's see, last time I checked, 'every' meant 'every'. Do you agree?

Here's how the Free Dictionary defines 'every' - 'constituting each and all members of a group without exception'.

I like how it defines it with 'without exception'.

I do agree.

What is not to understand about 'every".

ToBeLoved · Feb 9, 2016

Thursday said:
Grace is God acting in or on our lives. Of course God can give grace.

Grace enables us to follow God's will and to know God's will.

Grace is giving someone something that they in no way could earn themselves. Something of such value that they could never get it, except through the giver of the gift.

Let's not forget that none of us can earn the gift that He has given us AND that there is no one else able to give that gift.

Thursday · Feb 9, 2016

ToBeLoved said:
Grace is giving someone something that they in no way could earn themselves. Something of such value that they could never get it, except through the giver of the gift.

Let's not forget that none of us can earn the gift that He has given us AND that there is no one else able to give that gift.

I agree. However, we choose whether to cooperate with God's gift or to reject it.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 9, 2016

ToBeLoved said:
For every example you may have, I have 10 people who are out doing great things for God without living in daily fear. All your examples are of course negative, but there are many more doing awesome things.

But are they sinning with no fear of God before their eyes? Are they doing good things and also evil things? Well, Acts 9:31 says certain churches were walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost. Fear over sin is the first step in leading us into holiness whereby perfect love (God working in you) casts out fear. For to assume that one is made perfect in love the moment they believe is ridiculous.

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ToBeLoved · Feb 9, 2016

Jason0047 said:
But are they sinning with no fear of God before their eyes? Are they doing good things and also evil things? Well, Acts 9:31 says certain churches were walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost. Fear over sin is the first step in leading us into holiness whereby perfect love (God working in you) casts out fear. For to assume that one is made perfect in love the moment they believe is ridiculous.

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I am not worried about other people's sin as long as they have the Savior from sin.

One should search deeply themselves and remove the plank out of their own eye, as the Bible instructs us to do.

When someone questions another's salvation based on sin, one is not being Godly. We are each much more than sin which is why Jesus conquered sin.

The Word tells us that when we judge others that is the judgement we reap upon ourselves. For what a man sowes, one reaps.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 9, 2016

ToBeLoved said:
Why are you adding something to the gospel that is not even there.

We receive the gift of salvation when we come to God in faith for what His Son did on the cross. Dying for our sins, so we are justified in Him.

That's the simple gospel. Obedience is NOT part of the gospel.

Obedience comes later because we are given the Holy Spirit when we are saved. The Holy Spirit working in us to change our hearts and minds about sin and what it means to be Godly. It is this changing of mind and heart by the Holy Spirit that leads to obedience and changes in us.

But we do not bring that to salvation.

Is the grace of God a part of the gospel?
If so, then what does the grace of God teach us in the Bible?

11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;"
(Titus 2:11-12).

Did you catch that? Scripture says the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. This is a part of the gospel. Unless of course you want to assert that the grace of God is not a part of the gospel.

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ToBeLoved · Feb 9, 2016

Thursday said:
I agree. However, we choose whether to cooperate with God's gift or to reject it.

That does not change grace.

Grace is what it is. Something we could never earn or get on our own.

Salvation is what we choose to accept. Grace and the gift stands on it's own.

Steeno7 · Feb 9, 2016

Thursday said:
I agree. However, we choose whether to cooperate with God's gift or to reject it.

Believers are those who, by definition, have not rejected the gift.

ToBeLoved · Feb 9, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Is the grace of God a part of the gospel?
If so, then what does the grace of God teach us in the Bible?

11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;"
(Titus 2:11-12).

Did you catch that? Scripture says the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. This is a part of the gospel. Unless of course you want to assert that the grace of God is not a part of the gospel.

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The grace of God is that the gospel is what each person can have. Grace is that the opportunity for salvation is there BECAUSE of what CHRIST did. Grace is that He offers us this gift and we can do nothing to deserve it, NOR can we achieve it on our own.

Grace stands alone but is what we understand about salvation is that there is ONLY ONE way to reconcile us back to God.

So it is by His grace that we are able to obtain salvation.

ToBeLoved · Feb 9, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Did you catch that? Scripture says the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. This is a part of the gospel. Unless of course you want to assert that the grace of God is not a part of the gospel.

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God's grace through salvation gives us the indwelling Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, is our comforter and leads us in truth. That is why we deny ungodliness and the world.

The Holy Spirit testifies only of Christ and in us, does the will of Christ in us.

Thursday · Feb 9, 2016

ToBeLoved said:
That does not change grace.

Grace is what it is. Something we could never earn or get on our own.

Salvation is what we choose to accept. Grace and the gift stands on it's own.

We choose to accept God's grace or to reject it. If we accept it we are enabled to strive for holiness and please God.

Salvation is for those who endure in God's grace.

Matthew 10:22
You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Heb 3:14
We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.

Steeno7 · Feb 9, 2016

Jason0047 said:
But are they sinning with no fear of God before their eyes? Are they doing good things and also evil things? Well, Acts 9:31 says certain churches were walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost. Fear over sin is the first step in leading us into holiness whereby perfect love (God working in you) casts out fear. For to assume that one is made perfect in love the moment they believe is ridiculous.

Experiencing the love of God for you will produce love for Him. Love, not fear is what motivates godly living.

Steeno7 · Feb 9, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Is the grace of God a part of the gospel?
If so, then what does the grace of God teach us in the Bible?

11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;"
(Titus 2:11-12).

Did you catch that? Scripture says the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. This is a part of the gospel. Unless of course you want to assert that the grace of God is not a part of the gospel.

That's right, Grace does. So why do preach dead works of the flesh?

Thursday · Feb 9, 2016

Steeno7 said:
Believers are those who, by definition, have not rejected the gift.

Belief is not enough. Even the demons believe.

Also, Paul tells us that our faith can be destroyed through sin:

1 Tim 1:19
holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and thereby shipwrecked their faith.

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