How could I possibly twist your very definite statement that the Lord CONVICTED you that you were not going to be an Adventist? You made the statement, I did not.
You've made your "grappling" and your discontent very public knowledge on an ADVENTIST forum, and so I don't really deserve or appreciate comments that imply that I'm insensitive to someone struggling or that I'm "butting in".
Actually he has asked to discuss the issues numerous times. And when he came here he was not thinking of leaving the church.
And since you have mostly just called for him to leave and have not tried to answer his questions you have not, from my perspective, earned the right to ask him to leave.
If you want to really help him then convince him that he is wrong and that the voice he heard is not of God because the Bible says otherwise. But telling him to leave does not answer any of his questions.
As far as it being between you and the Lord....you made it public knowledge when you announced that He convicted you to leave. I simply stated that either He convicted you or He didn't, and either you're still Adventist or you're not.
I don't have a controlling personality. What I have are very dear friends leaving this forum because of people that do nothing but try to tell faithful Adventists that we're wrong.
People who have tried to discuss issues that they are dealing with have been largely criticized rather than answered with biblical information.
Jim, OntheDL and Jon are the exceptions as they have been very helpful in talking things through with us in the denominational specific forum. I thank them for that, and they have helped me re-examine at least a couple of points so far, though they have not convinced me on a number of others.
But have you done what you could to help him with the issues he is struggling with?
We are not responsible for your friends who VOLUNTARILY look at threads that are discussing things. If they don't want to discuss an issue skip the thread. The rules permit us to discuss.
You KNOW you're leaving Adventism, you've already stated that very matter-of-factly, but Wooba isn't. He is very sincere in his belief system, as am I, but we have to constantly defend it to people like you that know (as you've stated) they're leaving.
ice is now pretty sure he is leaving. Why, do you want to hurry him along to what you believe is destruction at the worst or delusion at the least?
And as to Woob, I am not sure what he has to do with this. He is sincere, but he is not traditional on the point we have the most questions about. He believes the IJ started in Peter's time. Therefore he rejects the traditional view.
So if we're being honest, let's consider this very carefully. Are you here in hopes that someone will talk you out of leaving, which in essence would mean we were somehow trying to get you to disobey GOD since you've stated HE convicted you to leave?
-OR- are you trying to take people with you out of Adventism?
It's a sincere question.
I am here becaues I was here before this all came up.
Ice is here because I recommended the forum to him. He was not asking these questions then. We talked over some of the issues but he really didn't even get what I was saying. He then saw it one day in the text of Daniel 8, and started to put together what he was reading in the history.
Then he started asking questions so that he could TEST the voice he heard to see if it was from God.
Now again, what are you doing to help this man who is trying to make an important choice in his faith?