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TheFathersDaughter said:

Better go give your sacrifice then Der Alter. Because the Bible never LITERALLY says to stop giving sacrifices so they must still be required. Then you better go stone some homosexuals or else you'll be guilty of not giving out God's punishment.

Der Alter, you can't say "DON'T PICK AND CHOOSE" and then say certain things "aren't necessary" or are "just Jewish tradition". That's called picking and choosing. Hypocrisy, as far as I'm concerned, is a greater sin than homosexuality.

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EXCELLENT post!!! Especially with the LITERAL SACRAFICES!!! Luv..it....

IamRedeemed said:

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
1 Timothy 3:1-5



Jesus is the Word of God
No Bible= No Jesus

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Quite the opposite love.

Jesus was the Living Word. That should be read as:

No Jesus = No Bible.

Because I assure you, Christ doesn't NEED the Bible to exist. Humans just need the Bible for Christ to exist. It comes with being simple minded beings.

TheFathersDaughter said:

Quite the opposite love.

Jesus was the Living Word. That should be read as:

No Jesus = No Bible.

Because I assure you, Christ doesn't NEED the Bible to exist. Humans just need the Bible for Christ to exist. It comes with being simple minded beings.

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Great post!!!

Yes, the way you speak to those who love the Lord and His Word of truth is quite the opposite of love, I agree.

Jesus is the Word, if we reject the Word, we reject the author and the finisher of our faith, which comes from His Word of truth.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. No Word, No Jesus.
Jesus IS the Word. He was made flesh. He is not separate from nor can He be received or known without His Word. He is the Bread of Life and the Word of Life. If we cut ourself off from His Word, we cut ourselves off from the food that feeds the spirit man. In the Words of Jesus Himself when speaking to enemy of our souls, satan, while on the mountain of temptation, "Man cannot live by bread alone, but by every word of God".

Please read Psalm 119 (below) with a heart directed toward the Lord.

Psalm 119

Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.


O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes! Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments. I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. Blessed art thou, O LORD: teach me thy statutes.

With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth. I have rejoiced in the way of thy testimonies, as much as in all riches. I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways. I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word. Deal bountifully with thy servant, that I may live, and keep thy word.

Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.
I am a stranger in the earth: hide not thy commandments from me. My soul breaketh for the longing that it hath unto thy judgments at all times. Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments.

Remove from me reproach and contempt; for I have kept thy testimonies. Princes also did sit and speak against me: but thy servant did meditate in thy statutes. Thy testimonies also are my delight and my counselors.

My soul cleaveth unto the dust: quicken thou me according to thy word.
I have declared my ways, and thou heardest me: teach me thy statutes.

Make me to understand the way of thy precepts: so shall I talk of thy wondrous works. My soul melteth for heaviness: strengthen thou me according unto thy word.

Remove from me the way of lying: and grant me thy law graciously. I have chosen the way of truth: thy judgments have I laid before me. I have stuck unto thy testimonies: O LORD, put me not to shame.

I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart. Teach me, O LORD, the way of thy statutes; and I shall keep it unto the end. Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart.

Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight.
Incline my heart unto thy testimonies, and not to covetousness. Turn away mine eyes from beholding vanity; and quicken thou me in thy way. Stablish thy word unto thy servant, who is devoted to thy fear.

Turn away my reproach which I fear: for thy judgments are good. Behold, I have longed after thy precepts: quicken me in thy righteousness. Let thy mercies come also unto me, O LORD, even thy salvation, according to thy word. So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word.



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And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments. So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed. And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved. My hands also will I lift up unto thy commandments, which I have loved; and I will meditate in thy statutes.
Remember the word unto thy servant, upon which thou hast caused me to hope.

This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me.The proud have had me greatly in derision: yet have I not declined from thy law. I remembered thy judgments of old, O LORD; and have comforted myself. Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law.

Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage. I have remembered thy name, O LORD, in the night, and have kept thy law. This I had, because I kept thy precepts. Thou art my portion, O LORD: I have said that I would keep thy words.
I intreated thy favour with my whole heart: be merciful unto me according to thy word.
I thought on my ways, and turned my feet unto thy testimonies.

I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments. The bands of the wicked have robbed me: but I have not forgotten thy law. At midnight I will rise to give thanks unto thee because of thy righteous judgments. I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts. The earth, O LORD, is full of thy mercy: teach me thy statutes.

Thou hast dealt well with thy servant, O LORD, according unto thy word. Teach me good judgment and knowledge: for I have believed thy commandments. Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word.

Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart. Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law.

It is good for me that I have been afflicted; that I might learn thy statutes.The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver.

Thy hands have made me and fashioned me: give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments. They that fear thee will be glad when they see me; because I have hoped in thy word.

I know, O LORD, that thy judgments are right, and that thou in faithfulness hast afflicted me. Let, I pray thee, thy merciful kindness be for my comfort, according to thy word unto thy servant.

Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.
Let the proud be ashamed; for they dealt perversely with me without a cause: but I will meditate in thy precepts.

Let those that fear thee turn unto me, and those that have known thy testimonies.
Let my heart be sound in thy statutes; that I be not ashamed. My soul fainteth for thy salvation: but I hope in thy word.

Mine eyes fail for thy word, saying, When wilt thou comfort me? For I am become like a bottle in the smoke; yet do I not forget thy statutes. How many are the days of thy servant? when wilt thou execute judgment on them that persecute me?

The proud have digged pits for me, which are not after thy law. All thy commandments are faithful: they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me. They had almost consumed me upon earth; but I forsook not thy precepts.

Quicken me after thy lovingkindness; so shall I keep the testimony of thy mouth.
For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.

They continue this day according to thine ordinances: for all are thy servants.
Unless thy law had been my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction.
I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me.

I am thine, save me: for I have sought thy precepts. The wicked have waited for me to destroy me: but I will consider thy testimonies. I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.

O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day. Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.

I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.

I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me. How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. I have sworn, and I will perform it, that I will keep thy righteous judgments.

I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O LORD, according unto thy word.
Accept, I beseech thee, the freewill offerings of my mouth, O LORD, and teach me thy judgments. My soul is continually in my hand: yet do I not forget thy law.

The wicked have laid a snare for me: yet I erred not from thy precepts. Thy testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever: for they are the rejoicing of my heart.

I have inclined mine heart to perform thy statutes alway, even unto the end.
I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love.
Thou art my hiding place and my shield: I hope in thy word.

Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the commandments of my God. Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope.
Hold thou me up, and I shall be safe: and I will have respect unto thy statutes continually.

Thou hast trodden down all them that err from thy statutes: for their deceit is falsehood. Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross: therefore I love thy testimonies.

My flesh trembleth for fear of thee; and I am afraid of thy judgments. I have done judgment and justice: leave me not to mine oppressors. Be surety for thy servant for good: let not the proud oppress me.
Mine eyes fail for thy salvation, and for the word of thy righteousness.

Deal with thy servant according unto thy mercy, and teach me thy statutes. I am thy servant; give me understanding, that I may know thy testimonies. It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.

Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold. Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.

Thy testimonies are wonderful: therefore doth my soul keep them. The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

I opened my mouth, and panted: for I longed for thy commandments.
Look thou upon me, and be merciful unto me, as thou usest to do unto those that love thy name.

Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me. Deliver me from the oppression of man: so will I keep thy precepts. Make thy face to shine upon thy servant; and teach me thy statutes.

Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Righteous art thou, O LORD, and upright are thy judgments. Thy testimonies that thou hast commanded are righteous and very faithful.

My zeal hath consumed me, because mine enemies have forgotten thy words.
Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it. I am small and despised: yet do not I forget thy precepts. Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Trouble and anguish have taken hold on me: yet thy commandments are my delights.
The righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live. I cried with my whole heart; hear me, O LORD: I will keep thy statutes.
I cried unto thee; save me, and I shall keep thy testimonies.

I prevented the dawning of the morning, and cried: I hoped in thy word. Mine eyes prevent the night watches, that I might meditate in thy word.

Hear my voice according unto thy lovingkindness: O LORD, quicken me according to thy judgment. They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law. Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
Consider mine affliction, and deliver me: for I do not forget thy law. Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word.

Salvation is far from the wicked: for they seek not thy statutes.


Great are thy tender mercies, O LORD: quicken me according to thy judgments.
Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.

I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.
Consider how I love thy precepts: quicken me, O LORD, according to thy lovingkindness.

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my heart standeth in awe of thy word. I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil. I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.

Seven times a day do I praise thee because of thy righteous judgments. Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments.
My soul hath kept thy testimonies; and I love them exceedingly.

I have kept thy precepts and thy testimonies: for all my ways are before thee. Let my cry come near before thee, O LORD: give me understanding according to thy word. Let my supplication come before thee: deliver me according to thy word.
My lips shall utter praise, when thou hast taught me thy statutes.

My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts. I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight. Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me.
I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

TheFathersDaughter said:

Quite the opposite love.

Jesus was the Living Word. That should be read as:

No Jesus = No Bible.

Because I assure you, Christ doesn't NEED the Bible to exist. Humans just need the Bible for Christ to exist. It comes with being simple minded beings.

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The Bible is very important to me. I doubt however that it was meant to be used to condemn people.

Does God change? I don't know. I do know he intended things to go one way until Adam and Eve fell from grace. Did he intend them to? I don't think so. He had to send His Son to fix that.

He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah (sp?). Did He plan to do that when He created the world. I doubt that too. It shows to me that God is an ever changing God that shouldn't be put into a box as if we fully understand Him.

Brieuse said:

The Bible is very important to me. I doubt however that it was meant to be used to condemn people.

Does God change? I don't know. I do know he intended things to go one way until Adam and Eve fell from grace. Did he intend them to? I don't think so. He had to send His Son to fix that.

He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah (sp?). Did He plan to do that when He created the world. I doubt that too. It shows to me that God is an ever changing God that shouldn't be put into a box as if we fully understand Him.

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The Bible says God doesn't change.

Which obviously doesn't make sense.
The Bible is far too contradictory to be taken at face value. We need to use the heads God gave us (along with the chance to hear Him) if we want to understand it. But people are so afraid to listen to God because they know they'll find their faults in the process. And no one will admit that, but it's true. The Bible, as I've said, it absolutely worthless, unless we read it with God and God's logic in mind: and trust me, God knows how stupid we are, so don't try to say we don't understand God's logic. God's logic may surpass human logic but that doesn't mean He's incapable of using human logic. He'll use it to help us understand.

teen4jesus92 said:

While trying not to offend anyone, I would like to find some answers. At this very moment, I'm taking no side in this issue - I just want to know what the truth is.
Please read the following verses (I've linked them to BibleGateway.com in the NIV version) and tell me what you think. I want to know the truth of the matter. Feel free to post your own verses.

Romans 1:24-28
Jude 1:7
Matt. 19:4-6 (This may be arguable by some of you - I'm just wondering about how the Bible never mentions that two women or two men "become one")
1 Corinthians 6:9-20

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Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

There comes a point when even God gives up. The eventual debasement of their bodies and actions is a result of God's removing a sense of restraint... not that he was making them do these things. They do them by nature. We all would left to our own devices. Giving rise to the saying "there but for the grace of God go I."

Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

This is more or less an example that hell is real and to be avoided at all costs. It is the incitement of an historic example. Not to imply that only those who gave themselves over to fornication are hell bound. See the point?

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Marriage, Jesus was trying to point out, is a life covenant between one man and one woman. There's no provision here for any other alternative (homosexual, divorce, or otherwise).

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. 14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. 15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

This is a big chunk of scripture (meaning there is so much doctrine to point out in it such as Christian liberty versus Christian slavery and Christian liberty versus Christian selfishness). What I highlighted in red above ought to sum up the point the Apostle was driving at.

God bless.

teen4jesus92 said:

Again, if some things are wrong, can any of it matter? Can any of it be true? Is the whole book just a fake?
It's all Bible or no Bible. All God or no God. All Christianity or no Christianity. You cannot pick and choose.

I feel sad, StarJewel, because there's nothing I can do, except argue and debate with you, (which probabaly won't do much). But I hope and pray you would realize, like I did, that you cannot pick and choose. I'm not being cheesy (I know it's hard to tell over the internet). I really feel for you...

It's like a car. Without one part (like the steering wheel, the brakes, the gasoline, the... you name it!) it won't work right. Christianity is not an all-you-can-eat buffet. It's all or nothing.
"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth." - Revelation 3:15-16 (That's God talking)

You wanted a reason as to why homosexuality is wrong, apart from the Bible. My honest answer: I don't know. (Perhaps some of those in agreement with me have a reason? *hint**hint* LOL)
Anyway, in Isaiah it says, "'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,' declares the LORD. 'As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts...'"
I know that God has a reason for saying that homosexuality is wrong. Right now I don't know. I hope to find that reason out, either in this life or my soul's life in heaven.
I bet that answer's not good enough for you, and I bet that now you're adding more verses to your "These are the ones I don't believe" list. But I gave it shot. And gave you what I got.

It's all or nothing, my friend. Pick one.

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Hi Actually, you're wrong that people can only be either Biblical fundamentalists who follow every single law in the Bible, or not be Christians at all, because there are many Christians who aren't fundamentalists. And not being a fundamentalist doesn't mean that someone's "lukewarm". And everyone picks and chooses. Did you know that the Bible allows you to have slaves and beat them as much as you want, as long as the slave doesn't die as a result of you beating him/her, because the slave is nothing more than your property? That's why I don't see the Bible as perfect.... my own reason and conscience tell me that. As for homosexuality... as I said, the world needs more love, and people in homosexual relationships love each other just like people in heterosexual relationships do. The research done about homosexuality hasn't found anything harmful about it. So, I just can't be against it... if I was, I'd be against love. And also, for me trying to convince myself that homosexuality is wrong would be like convincing myself that the computer in front of me doesn't exist.

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. . .[SIZE=-1]Did you know that the Bible allows you to have slaves and beat them as much as you want, as long as the slave doesn't die as a result of you beating him/her, because the slave is nothing more than your property? That's why I don't see the Bible as perfect.... my own reason and conscience tell me that.[/SIZE] . . .

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Same old, lame old out-of-context excuses. Got any scriptures to back this up? I didn't think so.

There were two types of slave in ancient Israel, enemy combatants captured in war, opposing God and his people. The second type were bond servants, poor people who contracted themselves for a specific number of years for money to provide for their families. FYI many fo the early immigrants to the U.S. were bond servants who contracted themselves for passage to the new world.

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[SIZE=-1]The Bible says God doesn't change.

Which obviously doesn't make sense.
The Bible is far too contradictory to be taken at face value. We need to use the heads God gave us (along with the chance to hear Him) if we want to understand it. But people are so afraid to listen to God because they know they'll find their faults in the process. And no one will admit that, but it's true. The Bible, as I've said, it absolutely worthless, unless we read it with God and God's logic in mind: and trust me, God knows how stupid we are, so don't try to say we don't understand God's logic. God's logic may surpass human logic but that doesn't mean He's incapable of using human logic. He'll use it to help us understand.[/SIZE]

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I guess in your concept of god, note the little "g", god is a liar. You claim the Bible says Gods does not change then you mention contradictions.

There are NO, ZERO, NONE errors or contradictions, in the Bible, which have not been refuted by Bible believing, God believing, Jesus believing Christians.

Where does the Bible say that God does not change, what is the context? What does it actually say, have you ever read it?

Exodus 21:20-21
"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property"

TheFathersDaughter said:

Better go give your sacrifice then Der Alter. Because the Bible never LITERALLY says to stop giving sacrifices so they must still be required. Then you better go stone some homosexuals or else you'll be guilty of not giving out God's punishment.

Der Alter, you can't say "DON'T PICK AND CHOOSE" and then say certain things "aren't necessary" or are "just Jewish tradition". That's called picking and choosing. Hypocrisy, as far as I'm concerned, is a greater sin than homosexuality.

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You claim to have read the Bible then you post and prove you know very, very little, virtually nothing about it.

Stoning of any one can only be done after the person is convicted by a lawfully constituted Sanhedrin, in the temple, in Jerusalem. It requires at least 2 competent witnesses, and the person must have been warned beforehand of the consequences of their actions. At no time did individuals stone anyone. Next silly,irrelevant outburst?

The rest. We don't have passover because,
Other sacrifices, not required because,
Somebody needs to realize they don't know nearly as much as they think they do, and that others here do know what they are talking about

StarJewel said:

Hi Actually, you're wrong that people can only be either Biblical fundamentalists who follow every single law in the Bible, or not be Christians at all, because there are many Christians who aren't fundamentalists. And not being a fundamentalist doesn't mean that someone's "lukewarm". And everyone picks and chooses. Did you know that the Bible allows you to have slaves and beat them as much as you want, as long as the slave doesn't die as a result of you beating him/her, because the slave is nothing more than your property? That's why I don't see the Bible as perfect.... my own reason and conscience tell me that. As for homosexuality... as I said, the world needs more love, and people in homosexual relationships love each other just like people in heterosexual relationships do. The research done about homosexuality hasn't found anything harmful about it. So, I just can't be against it... if I was, I'd be against love. And also, for me trying to convince myself that homosexuality is wrong would be like convincing myself that the computer in front of me doesn't exist.

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Great post! thanks for it!

teen4jesus92 said:

When I say "all or nothing". I am not saying "fundamentalist or liberal". I am saying you must believe, and hold to be true, the Bible.

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But believing that every single statement in the Bible is true is nothing else than fundamentalism... especially if it contradicts the reality around you. It's like believing that the computer in front of me doesn't exist.

teen4jesus92 said:

Using your own opinion, your own reason, your own conscience, is screwing it up.

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So, in your view, it's "Welcome to Christianity, please leave your brain outside"? Well, blind faith isn't good for me... it's good for cults, not for Christianity.

UnitedInChrist said:

Great post! thanks for it!

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Thanks, I'm glad you like it!

Amen, those that say the Bible has contradictions, do not know the Lord or His ways, and get their information from the lawless and the wicked, the abominable and the blasphemers of the world.

Jesus Christ, the Same Yesterday, Today and Forever.
Hebrews 13:8
For I am the LORD, I change not;
Malachi 3:6a

But TheFathersdaughter, is taking it and using it out of context.

God's Righteous ways do not change, His methods to display it and bring about that righteousness in man do.

God has also said 'Behold I do a NEW THING'.
Isaiah 43:19

Which shows that His methods change. But throughout the Bible, it is clearly evident, that the ways of His Righteousness DOES NOT.

Der Alter said:

I guess in your concept of god, note the little "g", god is a liar. You claim the Bible says Gods does not change then you mention contradictions.

There are NO, ZERO, NONE errors or contradictions, in the Bible, which have not been refuted by Bible believing, God believing, Jesus believing Christians.

Where does the Bible say that God does not change, what is the context? What does it actually say, have you ever read it?

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teen4jesus92 said:

Well, for one, God is so much bigger and better than the reality around me, and He is outside of space and time and science. He is not confined to the laws of science. He is not confined to our reality of earth and gravity and whatnot.

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Well I don't think fundamentalism contradicts science. It's the philosophies of science which it contradicts (naturalism).

teen4jesus92 said:

But when you add the world (what you think instead of what God says), it's not Christianity anymore.
It's like, "Well, I don't think Jesus really did all those miracles, cause that's scientifically impossible. And God really isn't all powerful, cause then he would remove sin and pain from our lives. Oh, and hell really doesn't exist, because God is all-loving and wouldn't send his creations to die in eternal fire..." And then you got whole different religion.
If you don't believe the Bible... then you have to believe yourself, and that's not Christianity at all.

Again, God cannot be put in a box. And He is not confined to the laws of this earth. And we cannot understand him. If we could, He wouldn't be worth praising and worshipping.

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Sister I must say you are a strong in God's word. Not only that but it reflects
strongly in your characater. My the Lord Bless you and make you stronger in your faith.