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What if we see Christian symbols while taking the Rorschach Test, have had happy thoughts about dying, and claim to have resisted the Devil?
Excuse me, but I just heard a message from an evangelist who gave his personal testimony about going to ER and, due to circumstances beyond his control, found himself face to face with a psychiatrist who questioned him for an hour and a half. He remembered the questions:Are you seriously still on about this? This was proved wrong to you by gaara about a dozen times. You seem to conveniently forget your agreement to stop bringing up certain points and think people won't notice.
That was the original Catholic idea, but it's not the modern idea. Science restricts itself to what is known, and it is not known that the Big Bang 'did it'.Your beliefs can help to clear up some of the misconceptions of what a creationist really is.
If you believe the big bang did it there are some who consider this to be a form of creationism, after all the big bang started as a catholic idea. It was suppose to be the missing link between the creation and God. In other words, God did it with the big bang.
If you only believe in the big bang part but not in the God part the question still remains: who or what caused/create it? Unless you believe cause and effect can be separated.
Depends on what you mean by "God did it with electricity". I know you believe in the 'electric universe' idea, but where exactly does God come in?You know I don't drift along with the mainstream big bang, but I don't completely rule out evolution. As for the universe, I believe God did it with electricity, remember. However, I do believe the process would have taken longer than 6000 years as I mentioned in the OP. I don't have a clue how long it took.
So am I a creationist or what?
I am not a creationist. I believe in an old earth as well as a new one. So what does that make me?
In the Genesis theory: Genesis 1:1 begins with a summary of the fact that God did it.
Genesis 1:2 then goes on to describe the conditions at the end of the old earth - Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
And Genesis 1:3 then go on to describe the beginning of the new earth And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Genesis 1:2 speaks of an earth that was formless, empty, dark, and covered in water which existed before the six days of creation week began in Genesis 1:3.
It was from this preexisting old earth that the new earth we now live on emerged out of its preexisting water And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so...Gen 1:6-9.
Water was not created during the six days of creation week, nor was the rocks underneath it, they both already existed.
If you believe the big bang did it there are some who consider this to be a form of creationism, after all the big bang started as a catholic idea.
If you only believe in the big bang part but not in the God part the question still remains: who or what caused/create it? Unless you believe cause and effect can be separated.
Depends on what you mean by "God did it with electricity". I know you believe in the 'electric universe' idea, but where exactly does God come in?
That's quite a leap. Why isn't the flow of electricity in my computer also yielding a conciousness?Electrical currents in the structures of our physical brains give rise to 'awareness'. The flow of current through the structures of the physical universe also give rise to awareness on a much larger scale.
That's quite a leap.
Because it is not of organic construction. A single cell animal on the other hand is capable of searching out and eating food.Why isn't the flow of electricity in my computer also yielding a conciousness?
No, but every being that is sentient experiences current flow.Simply having a charge flux doesn't elicit sentience.
I can't I agree with the 'talking' claim. My children were 'aware' and conscious long before they learned how to talk.Electricity is one of the ways in which our neurones talk to each other, but it is the talking itself which creates the conciousness: there's a difference between white noise and directed chatter.
So the idea evolved so that the big bang could survive. I get it.That was the original Catholic idea, but it's not the modern idea.
So why isn't God included? Are you saying He's not known? Or is it that He's not known by scientists?Science restricts itself to what is known,
Did you say "it is not known that the Big Bang 'did it'". Are you sure?and it is not known that the Big Bang 'did it'.
Okay, so you believe in a cause, you just don't care to know what it is? Why is that?I do. Besides, believing in the Big Bang doesn't require me to state the cause.
Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?I am quite happy saying "I don't know", because I don't know.
But wouldn't you just love to know what was that primordial cause, and what was the cause of that primordial cause? I would. It would certainly explain why space only expands mathematically and not actually.I believe the Big Bang is happening, but I see nothing which tells me why it's happening, or what happened before it.
Did ya have to ask?Depends on what you mean by "God did it with electricity". I know you believe in the 'electric universe' idea, but where exactly does God come in?
Well, look at it this way, if they are wrong you and them will end the same way. But if they are right...It doesnt even matter whether or not religious believers think their God created anything. The mere fact that they believe their unsubstantiated God is real without a shred of sound evidence to support that belief means they are credulous and demonstrates that their perception of reality is not to be trusted.
So the idea evolved so that the big bang could survive. I get it.
So why isn't God included? Are you saying He's not known? Or is it that He's not known by scientists?
Yes.Did you say "it is not known that the Big Bang 'did it'". Are you sure?
Because I've gone over the evidence, and I've gone over the theory. Neither imply that the Big Bang is the cause of the universe, or the start of time and space, or what have you.What makes you so sure that "it is not known that the Big Bang 'did it'"?
Okay, so you believe in a cause, you just don't care to know what it is? Why is that?
Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?
Tell me, what do you as a physicist find so enjoyable about being ignorant in this matter.
But wouldn't you just love to know what was that primordial cause, and what was the cause of that primordial cause? I would.
...Did ya have to ask?
God created the electricity then He used it to bake the universe into existence. In some parts the temperatures were a bit high so planets like mars were over baked, but because of correct temperatures earth was well done.
I think someone was messing around with the thermostat when planets like mars were being baked.
This is called Pascal's wager, and it's essentially one big false dichotomy: it presumes that either Christianity is true (Christians go to Heaven, the rest go to Hell), or 'atheism' is true (everyone ceases to exist upon death).Well, look at it this way, if they are wrong you and them will end the same way. But if they are right...
The evidence does quite easily point to the existence of a cause: order from ORDER, life from LIFE, intelligence from INTELLIGENCE, etc. etc. etc.Who said I believe in a cause? And even if I did, who says I have to know what it is? The evidence could quite easily point to the existence of a cause,
But it does say that the MAKER is intelligent, thoughtful, considerate, caring, etc. etc. etc. From this we can deduce that the MAKER is a wise PERSON.but not to the nature of the cause (as a very rough analogy, my phone points to the existence of a phone maker, but it doesn't say whether that maker was male or female).
Well, taking into consideration that stars give birth to planets through an electrical process, then I would say they are baked.Planets were baked?
That's a very good observation.This is called Pascal's wager, and it's essentially one big false dichotomy: it presumes that either Christianity is true (Christians go to Heaven, the rest go to Hell), or 'atheism' is true (everyone ceases to exist upon death).
It completely ignores the fact that there are more religions than just Christianity. It the Christians are wrong, that doesn't automatically make the atheists right: it could be the Muslims are right, or the Hindus, or the Buddhists, ad nauseam.
That's a very good observation.
But Christians are right, and no other religion is.
I know that sounds like an arrogant statement, but what can I say. The evidence is overwhelming.
Why do you consider 'faith' and 'evidence' a contradiction?No, there are no evidence, thats why its called faith.
Why do you consider 'faith' and 'evidence' a contradiction?
Isn't faith based on evidence?
I have faith the sun will rise tomorrow because I have evidence that is what it does everyday.
I also have faith the Son will rise tomorrow because I have evidence that is what He does everyday.
Hebrews 11:1 said:Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
This verse actually supports my position.No.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
God was indeed put to the test, and was proven.This combined with the verses about not putting God to the test show why it's ridiculous to expect God to be provable.
The Son was seen to rise before we believed. We believe because He rose, not the other way around.Besides, anything that requires you to believe in it first before you can see it is not scientific or empirical.
This verse actually supports my position.
God was indeed put to the test, and was proven.
"As I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD — because all these men...have seen My glory...and have put Me to the test now these ten times...Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and prove Me now in this," says the LORD AlmightyNum 14:21-22.
The Son was seen to rise before we believed. We believe because He rose, not the other way around.
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