Hyperlink to a testimony of a CONFESSED homosexual

Gottservant · Mar 5, 2008

Hey.

Just thought you might like to see this testimony:

http://christianforums.com/t69662-how-i-overcame-homosexuality.html

I haven't read it yet, but I am believing by faith.

-Christopher

PS. I have been tempted to stick things up my backside, so don't think I am completely removed from understanding all that homosexuals do (just because I no longer do it like you do).

Why oh why was I ever curious? I suppose I couldn't accept that a woman's attraction to a man is a mystery. But I digress.

EnemyPartyII · Mar 5, 2008

Gottservant said:
Hey.

Just thought you might like to see this testimony:

http://christianforums.com/t69662-how-i-overcame-homosexuality.html

I haven't read it yet, but I am believing by faith.

-Christopher

PS. I have been tempted to stick things up my backside, so don't think I am completely removed from understanding all that homosexuals do (just because I no longer do it like you do).

Why oh why was I ever curious? I suppose I couldn't accept that a woman's attraction to a man is a mystery. But I digress.

Whisky Tango Foxtrot?

Phinehas2 · Mar 5, 2008

Yes a great testimony to the glory of God.

David Brider · Mar 5, 2008

PS. I have been tempted to stick things up my backside...

Probably TMI.

...so don't think I am completely removed from understanding all that homosexuals do (just because I no longer do it like you do).

Sorry? Homosexuals stick things up their backsides? R-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght...

David.

HaloHope · Mar 5, 2008

EnemyPartyII said:
Whisky Tango Foxtrot?

Quite

Incidentally, I became more hetrosexual the other day as I ate a tangerine and hetrosexuals eat tangerines too. Wow.

Criada · Mar 5, 2008

Perhaps it would be nice not to mock someone who is not around to defend himself.

davedjy · Mar 5, 2008

Gottservant said:
PS. I have been tempted to stick things up my backside, so don't think I am completely removed from understanding all that homosexuals do (just because I no longer do it like you do)

Wow.

KCKID · Mar 5, 2008

I see that the post in question was submitted almost 5 years ago. It might be interesting to know the present status of the writer in regard to his sexuality.

Trashionista · Mar 5, 2008

Ah. Of course... its been posted on a Christian forum.

Not the most unbiased of sites.

KCKID · Mar 5, 2008

Phinehas2 said:
Yes a great testimony to the glory of God.

Sorry, but that response is just typical Christian rhetoric. It also strongly implies that homosexuals NEED to change their sexual orientation in order to be accepted as 'children of God'. I have a real problem with that notion.

The testimony is just words on paper and one should always be skeptical of words on paper written by a human being. We need to at least keep the praises to God for the words down to a minimum.

Anyway, I'm sure that God is too busy puzzling over hypocrisy within Christianity here on earth than to worry about changing someone's sexual orientation.

If the writer experienced something that resulted in a happier life, great. The facts are, however, that while God might be responsible for changing the heart I don't believe for one second that he turns a homosexual into a heterosexual. If God could do so and even wanted to do so then He could have done so when that person was born ...just to save the hassle later on.

Why is it necessary to beseech God so fervantly in order that He initiate a change in someone's life anyway? Prayer chains, all-night prayer vigils, etc. Does God require a certain quota of prayers before He acts and, if short, therefore rejects them? Or, am I being too logical in my thinking?

davedjy · Mar 5, 2008

KCKID said:
Sorry, but that response is just typical Christian rhetoric. It also strongly implies that homosexuals NEED to change their sexual orientation in order to be accepted as 'children of God'. I have a real problem with that notion.

The testimony is just words on paper and one should always be skeptical of words on paper written by a human being. We need to at least keep the praises to God for the words down to a minimum.

Anyway, I'm sure that God is too busy puzzling over hypocrisy within Christianity here on earth than to worry about changing someone's sexual orientation.

If the writer experienced something that resulted in a happier life, great. The facts are, however, that while God might be responsible for changing the heart I don't believe for one second that he turns a homosexual into a heterosexual. If God could do so and even wanted to do so then He could have done so when that person was born ...just to save the hassle later on.

Why is it necessary to beseech God so fervantly in order that He initiate a change in someone's life anyway? Prayer chains, all-night prayer vigils, etc. Does God require a certain quota of prayers before He acts and, if short, therefore rejects them? Or, am I being too logical in my thinking?

Very true.

Btw, for every testimony I have ever seen, there's a million stating just the opposite...those who tried reparative therapy, exorcisms, prayer, years trying to change without any results.

I never trust ANY testimony since there have been plenty that have posted testimonies that have since retracted them and regretted giving a testimony in the first place. People can deceive themselves, and others around them with the false notion that they have "changed", a testimony isn't proof of anything. How do we know that many of these people weren't bisexual to start? that is another problem with these testimonies.

FaithLikeARock · Mar 5, 2008

So he's not homosexual and God helped him realize that. Fantastic. Doesn't say anything about the morality of homosexuality - just when we're talking about that one person.

savedandhappy1 · Mar 5, 2008

KCKID said:
I see that the post in question was submitted almost 5 years ago. It might be interesting to know the present status of the writer in regard to his sexuality.

I would prefer to know if he still is putting God first in his life, like we are supposed to do.

I think that is so inspiring, and think there wouldn't be as many threads on Christian Sites if God was the center of all lives.

I would love to speak to him and see if he had some advice on how to keep to one master like the Bible tells us to do. I have always believe the scriptures that tell us how we can't have two master or we will love the one and hate the other, but it is so hard sometimes to keep me out of the picture.

Oh, to be able to daily die to self and surrender fully to the Lord.

What a blessing this testimony was to me.

davedjy · Mar 6, 2008

savedandhappy1 said:
What a blessing this testimony was to me.

Convincing yourself you aren't gay is a false sense of testimony, so quite the opposite, actually. Pretty sad someone would feel the need to change the way they really are (which has been proven unchangeable).

As stated, many have withdrawn their testimonies and REGRETTED ever giving them to start. Anti-gay testimonies aren't proof of anything, except their current state of denial.

Criada · Mar 6, 2008

This is not something we can judge, since the person in question is the only one who knows.
And nothing is unchangeable for an omnipotent God!!!
It is sad that many people live in denial, but there are those who God has changed as well.
And there are those who are still praying for that miracle.

Phinehas2 · Mar 6, 2008

I agree with Criada,
But the OP is about what God has done, Davedjy and some others are focussing on sexuality.

Jet_A_Jockey · Mar 6, 2008

Phinehas2 said:
I agree with Criada,
But the OP is about what God has done, Davedjy and some others are focussing on sexuality.

And not only that, but downplaying the important thing here. Someone placed God over their sexuality. In a way, it is a display of sacrifice to God. Unfortunately the pro-gay side of the argument makes this out to be some sort of impossibility, yet there are plenty of christians who live out vows of celibacy, whether they be heterosexual/homosexual/etc.

HaloHope · Mar 6, 2008

Jet_A_Jockey said:
And not only that, but downplaying the important thing here. Someone placed God over their sexuality. In a way, it is a display of sacrifice to God. Unfortunately the pro-gay side of the argument makes this out to be some sort of impossibility, yet there are plenty of christians who live out vows of celibacy, whether they be heterosexual/homosexual/etc.

I think that the point that stands out for me with "ex-gay" style testimonies is celibacy does not equate removal of orientation neither does attraction to the opposite sex suddenly (it just means the person was bi-sexual).

Now of course a person can be celibate and if they really feel compelled to do so I can't say I have a problem with it. What I do have a problem with it, is when that person feels they are called to celibacy simply because of external pressure but on them by society or family or their church just because they happen to be homosexual. Personally I think that is abuse.

Bottom line for me is if the church were as loving and accepting as it should be then people wouldnt feel the need to struggle with their sexuality in the first place. Who you are (assuming your sexuality dosent hurt others) should be embraced and enjoyed.

Jet_A_Jockey · Mar 6, 2008

HaloHope said:
I think that the point that stands out for me with "ex-gay" style testimonies is celibacy does not equate removal of orientation neither does attraction to the opposite sex suddenly (it just means the person was bi-sexual).

No, it doesn't equate to a removal of orientation. Why should it have to? It's about making a choice. We work with what we're given, and our choices are what make us who we are.

Now of course a person can be celibate and if they really feel compelled to do so I can't say I have a problem with it. What I do have a problem with it, is when that person feels they are called to celibacy simply because of external pressure but on them by society or family or their church just because they happen to be homosexual. Personally I think that is abuse.

The same could be said about any sinful impulses.

Bottom line for me is if the church were as loving and accepting as it should be then people wouldnt feel the need to struggle with their sexuality in the first place. Who you are (assuming your sexuality dosent hurt others) should be embraced and enjoyed.

The church is not there solely for love and acceptance. It is there to teach God's word as well.

HaloHope · Mar 6, 2008

Jet_A_Jockey said:
No, it doesn't equate to a removal of orientation. Why should it have to? It's about making a choice.

The reason I object to the term ex-gay is that the person in question isn't "ex-gay" at all. They are either denying oneself or found out their sexuality encompasses both genders.

Jet_A_Jockey said:
The same could be said about any sinful impulses.

In what context? (Knowing that we completely disagree on homosexuality being sinful )

Jet_A_Jockey said:
The church is not there solely for love and acceptance. It is there to teach God's word as well.

We are just in debate about what Gods word actually says.

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