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mattes · Sep 16, 2003

How can you believe in evolution and the bible at the same time? This bothers me and I want an answer. I am a seeker of the truth but all this forum is doing is confusing and tearing down.

joguy923 · Sep 16, 2003

its not possible, cause if u beleive in evolution,u dont beleive the first few books of the bible because thats basically all it talks about in the first few is creation, and how God made the earth

mattes · Sep 16, 2003

joguy923 said:
its not possible, cause if u beleive in evolution,u dont beleive the first few books of the bible because thats basically all it talks about in the first few is creation, and how God made the earth

I agree. But im still confused about these "Theistic Evolutionist".

joguy923 · Sep 16, 2003

i havent heard much about ''theistic evolutionist's'' so i wouldn't know what to tell u, sorry

joguy923 · Sep 16, 2003

but im sure there r many peeps out there that can tell you

Vance · Sep 16, 2003

What you really need to do is just follow some of the threads and the discussions and you will begin to understand, even if not agree with, where we are coming from.

But, basically, we believe that God created by means of evolution, and that this is not inconsistent with the text at all (as you will see if you read through the threads).

I am assuming that you are coming from a fundamentalist background in the United States, since you seem to assume that the evolution=disbelief in the Bible concept.

Keep this in mind: worldwide, more Bible-believing Christians believe the Earth is billions of years old rather than a few thousand. More than half believe that evolution very likely was a means by which God created diversity of life on this planet (even if not the only way).

So, this is not some strange, cult belief, it is actually the predominant view among Christians worldwide.

Young Earth Creationism is growing in the US, the UK and in Australia where there are a number of YEC speaking tours going, and books being published, but this is still the minority view.

mattes · Sep 16, 2003

Vance said:
What you really need to do is just follow some of the threads and the discussions and you will begin to understand, even if not agree with, where we are coming from.

But, basically, we believe that God created by means of evolution, and that this is not inconsistent with the text at all (as you will see if you read through the threads).

I am assuming that you are coming from a fundamentalist background in the United States, since you seem to assume that the evolution=disbelief in the Bible concept.

Keep this in mind: worldwide, more Bible-believing Christians believe the Earth is billions of years old rather than a few thousand. More than half believe that evolution very likely was a means by which God created diversity of life on this planet (even if not the only way).

So, this is not some strange, cult belief, it is actually the predominant view among Christians worldwide.

Young Earth Creationism is growing in the US, the UK and in Australia where there are a number of YEC speaking tours going, and books being published, but this is still the minority view.

Ok, but where is the time where God could have let evolution develop? Not in 6 days.... and yes that is litteral. Wouldnt that mean God was a monkey if your view is true? Another thing just because were the miniority belif doesnt mean its false.

troodon · Sep 16, 2003

mattes said:
How can you believe in evolution and the bible at the same time? This bothers me and I want an answer. I am a seeker of the truth but all this forum is doing is confusing and tearing down.

How can we accept evolution and remain Christains? Because accepting the fact that we have descended from less derived life forms has absolutely no bearing on the teachings, sacrifice, and resurrection of Christ. Nor does it at all affect the existance of God or the existance of sin.

Evolution has (and should have) as much bearing on an individual's Christian beliefs as believing that pi is actually 3 does.

joguy923 said:
its not possible, cause if u beleive in evolution,u dont beleive the first few books of the bible because thats basically all it talks about in the first few is creation, and how God made the earth

Thank you for breaking the first rule of these forums.

troodon · Sep 16, 2003

mattes said:
Wouldnt that mean God was a monkey if your view is true?

Wouldn't that mean you believe God looks like a Homo sapien? Do you honestly believe that?

wblastyn · Sep 16, 2003

mattes said:
Ok, but where is the time where God could have let evolution develop? Not in 6 days.... and yes that is litteral. Wouldnt that mean God was a monkey if your view is true? Another thing just because were the miniority belif doesnt mean its false.

The days are literal within the creation story but the story itself is not literal (non-literal does not equal false).

I assume you are refering to being created in the image of God? Using your logic wouldn't God be a human?

To be "in the image of" something means you represent it like an ambassador would represent a king.

mattes · Sep 16, 2003

troodon said:
Wouldn't that mean you believe God looks like a Homo sapien? Do you honestly believe that?

We were created (key word there) in Gods Image. So yes God has hands, feet, arms, and legs.

wblastyn · Sep 16, 2003

troodon said:
Wouldn't that mean you believe God looks like a Homo sapien? Do you honestly believe that?

I never understood tha logic - "if you believe evolution then you believe God is an ape!!".

wblastyn · Sep 16, 2003

mattes said:
We were created (key word there) in Gods Image. So yes God has hands, feet, arms, and legs.

But God is Spirit, not physical.

mattes · Sep 16, 2003

wblastyn said:
But God is Spirit, not physical.

Jesus is God and he is physical being. Created in his image we resemble God. When the Bible says he walked through the garden he was acctually walking not floating.

troodon · Sep 16, 2003

mattes said:
We were created (key word there) in Gods Image. So yes God has hands, feet, arms, and legs.

Oh ok. So God is a physical part of the universe? Made up of neutrons and protons and spending energy in order to move? Does this mean that Heaven is in fact a physical place as well? Like Prode (the, "Heaven is inside a star." fellow. Check the Venus will be.... thread below for that) seems to believe?

Vance · Sep 16, 2003

Right, there are two approaches by which the Genesis account and evolution are entirely compatible. One is that the Genesis accounts of Creation should not be read literally, but allegorically and symoblically (I don't prescribe to this theory). This is based on the style of writing and content, which is VERY much in the allegorical message writing of early cultures. In short, the message is from God, and this message is wholly true, but this message is not to be read literally.

The other view is that the Genesis accounts are not allegories, but just simplified statements of what happened. Even YEC's understand that it is simplified since God could not possibly go into the full detail about His awesome creative actions. We just couldn't understand it. But some of us believe that the text is still telling the true story.

This is based simply on reading the Hebrew words rather than just the English translations. You see that the word for "day" is "yom" a word that is used to mean a lot of things, only one of which is a 24-hour day. It also means (and is used in the Bible often to mean) an extended period of time, NOT just a 24-hour day. The same with "morning and evening".

mattes · Sep 16, 2003

Sorry I havent replied in awhile I was at college worship. Ok, another thing I dont understand how you can belive in the Bible and Evolution for another reason: Genesis 2:7 - the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Ok read that where do you get God created a single cell life form and it slowly evolved into what is man? The bible gives a clear picture of the creation.

mattes · Sep 16, 2003

wblastyn said:
I never understood tha logic - "if you believe evolution then you believe God is an ape!!".

Well that logic comes from the Bible in (Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.) (Genesis 1:26 - Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness...)

I wasnt going to bust out any Hebrew on you guys but Vance did so...

The word image used in Genesis 1:27 comes from the Hebrew word tselem. It means "representing the original in an imprecise manner". The word likeness comes from the Hebrew word dhemuth. It means "pattern". Therefore, man is an imprecise representation of the original pattern. That pattern is God.

notto · Sep 17, 2003

mattes said:
Well that logic comes from the Bible in (Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.) (Genesis 1:26 - Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness...)

I wasnt going to bust out any Hebrew on you guys but Vance did so...

The word image used in Genesis 1:27 comes from the Hebrew word tselem. It means "representing the original in an imprecise manner". The word likeness comes from the Hebrew word dhemuth. It means "pattern". Therefore, man is an imprecise representation of the original pattern. That pattern is God.

What color was Adams skin and hair? How about Gods?

wblastyn · Sep 17, 2003

mattes said:
Sorry I havent replied in awhile I was at college worship. Ok, another thing I dont understand how you can belive in the Bible and Evolution for another reason: Genesis 2:7 - the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Ok read that where do you get God created a single cell life form and it slowly evolved into what is man? The bible gives a clear picture of the creation.

Genesis 1 says man and woman were created after animals at the same time by being called into existance.

Genesis 2 says man was created from dust, then animals to help him, then woman from man's rib.

So which one is it?

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