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Iosias · Aug 5, 2004

clskinner said:
And herein lies another problem: sola scriptura.

I will be careful how I word this post... Most protestants especially baptists do not affirm ANY creed. Also our Holy Bible contains nothing but the books Genesis to Revelation. Also many of us are very sceptical about the Roman Catholic Church. Indeed the major theologian of the Brethren considered all ordained clergy to be committing the blasphemy of the Holy ghost. There are walls and some are good...I for one am no counter-reformationist and I will not associate myself with anyone who is...hopefully this does not break any of the forum rules.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Aug 5, 2004

clskinner said:
Salvation. What it means, and how it is obtained.
Eucharist. What (or Whom) it is, and what effects it has.
Authority. Who has it, and who doesn't.
Scripture. What Christ really meant.

Those are just a few thoughts off-hand.

I have seen very little disagreement over these fundamentals. There may be some minor disagreements, but nothing that should case divisions.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Aug 5, 2004

AV1611 said:
I will be careful how I word this post... Most protestants especially baptists do not affirm ANY creed. Also our Holy Bible contains nothing but the books Genesis to Revelation. Also many of us are very sceptical about the Roman Catholic Church. Indeed the major theologian of the Brethren considered all ordained clergy to be committing the blasphemy of the Holy ghost. There are walls and some are good...I for one am no counter-reformationist and I will not associate myself with anyone who is...hopefully this does not break any of the forum rules.

Yet the Nicene Creed is nothing but scriptures from the Bible. I must ask why they don't affirm it

Carrye · Aug 5, 2004

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
How is this a problem?

Not everyone adheres to the idea of sola scriptura.

Carrye · Aug 5, 2004

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
I have seen very little disagreement over these fundamentals. There may be some minor disagreements, but nothing that should case divisions.

How so?

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Aug 5, 2004

clskinner said:
Not everyone adheres to the idea of sola scriptura.

Well, there is no prblem here either.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Aug 5, 2004

clskinner said:
How so?

Look through some of the better forums. All the branches are getting together well. Even when we talk theology, we all agree on the basics. As I said, we are far more closely connected than you may think.

Carrye · Aug 5, 2004

AV1611 said:
Also our Holy Bible contains nothing but the books Genesis to Revelation.

Ours too ... it just includes a few books that y'all left out.

Also many of us are very sceptical about the Roman Catholic Church.

I'd love to hear some of your questions/concerns. Honestly. I'm always curious about why others are so "skeptical" of us ... besides that they've often been taught misconceptions.

Iosias · Aug 5, 2004

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
I have seen very little disagreement over these fundamentals. There may be some minor disagreements, but nothing that should case divisions.

Eucharist: Catholics --- sacrifice, Baptists --- memorial.
Authority: Catholics --- Pope, tradition, Baptists --- Christ, Holy Bible.
Salvation: Catholics --- works and baptism, Baptists --- Faith alone.

Yet the Nicene Creed is nothing but scriptures from the Bible. I must ask why they don't affirm it

We are both Christians and yet we already disagree over the Nicene Creed!!! I do not affirm it because it is not Canon and it is man-made.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Aug 5, 2004

clskinner said:
Ours too ... it just includes a few books that y'all left out.

I'd love to hear some of your questions/concerns. Honestly. I'm always curious about why others are so "skeptical" of us ... besides that they've often been taught misconceptions.

I use the Apocrypha myself. Until I see them proved inconsistant, there is just no arguement against them. And even then, they are valuable historical documents. But yet again, belief for or against them is insignificant.

Carrye · Aug 5, 2004

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
Look through some of the better forums. All the branches are getting together well. Even when we talk theology, we all agree on the basics. As I said, we are far more closely connected than you may think.

Closely connected, yes. We are one body.

Maybe some of the Protestant denominations agree, but I doubt that same agreement would be had with the Catholics and the Orthodox.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Aug 5, 2004

AV1611 said:
Eucharist: Catholics --- sacrifice, Baptists --- memorial.
Authority: Catholics --- Pope, tradition, Baptists --- Christ, Holy Bible.
Salvation: Catholics --- works and baptism, Baptists --- Faith alone.

We are both Christians and yet we already disagree over the Nicene Creed!!! I do not affirm it because it is not Canon and it is man-made.

Yet we still take the same communion, and have the same salvation. The Bible does say faith is dead without deeds, so you both have valid points. Authority is about the only issue, and I am sure that can be put off till last. When we get the unity going, people will see their follies, on both sides.

Then you do have a problem with scripture, because the Nicene Creed is no more than a quote from a book in the Bible.

Carrye · Aug 5, 2004

AV1611 said:
We are both Christians and yet we already disagree over the Nicene Creed!!! I do not affirm it because it is not Canon and it is man-made.

And then there's the question of what determines "Canon."

... and on we go.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Aug 5, 2004

clskinner said:
Closely connected, yes. We are one body.

Maybe some of the Protestant denominations agree, but I doubt that same agreement would be had with the Catholics and the Orthodox.

Some Catholics and Othodox, maybe. But you'd really be surpirsed how good things are going.

Iosias · Aug 5, 2004

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
Well, there is no prblem here either.

Yes there is...I will not associate with those who do not hold to Sola Scriptura.

Next what Bible version shall we use at these interdenominational meetings? I will ONLY use the Authorised Version. i.e. No --- NIV, NKJV, NEB, GNB, ASV, RSV etc...

Carrye · Aug 5, 2004

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
Yet we still take the same communion

We don't take the same communion.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Aug 5, 2004

AV1611 said:
Yes there is...I will not associate with those who do not hold to Sola Scriptura.

Next what Bible version shall we use at these interdenominational meetings? I will ONLY use the Authorised Version. i.e. No --- NIV, NKJV, NEB, GNB, ASV, RSV etc...

Oh, so you think divisions are a good idea? Well thats with you and God.

Oh, so I assume you read the original Hebrew and Greek texts? Wonderful

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Aug 5, 2004

clskinner said:
We don't take the same communion.

Explain

Carrye · Aug 5, 2004

AV1611 said:
Yes there is...I will not associate with those who do not hold to Sola Scriptura.

You're associating with me right now, mwhaha!

Jokes aside, I understand what you're saying. That's our difference in what "Canon" is.

Carrye · Aug 5, 2004

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
Explain

When we each receive communion, we are receiving two different substances. The difference in what people believe their communion to be is an aside here.

Protestant communion: symbolic; it is a piece of bread, a cup of wine/juice. Done to do what Christ did & to remember the Last Supper.

Catholic communion: real; the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ. Christ humbles himself and completely changes the bread and wine into his very self.

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