In other words, science is also based upon "acts of faith" as I said, and that bothers you.
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Or we could talk about the topic of the thread rather than trying to make every thread in the forum somehow about how modern physics is totally being mean to fringe plasma universe theorists.
huh?In other words, science is also based upon "acts of faith" as I said, and that bothers you.
It would be a forced happiness if people are stripped of the ability to feel negative emotions or desires. Which is nightmarish.It wouldn't be a perfect eternity if "people" had the option to do wrong. I don't believe we will be people at all, but rather purely spiritual beings made one with God, but not equal to God, just unified to him like a man a women become one when married, at least in the Christian sense, not the secular sense.
All I'm saying is that you've attempted to argue that rejecting an absolute objective reality necessitates a belief that the universe springs from the mind of the observer. However, you have not demonstrated any reason for that.
Let me give you an alternate scenario a bit more relevant to this issue. Let's say there is another planet with intelligent life at the edge of the observable universe. They see many of the same distant galaxies we do, but they also see galaxies we do not and could never see because those galaxies are outside of our observable universe. Likewise, some of the galaxies we see are outside of their observable universe. Each of us exists in a real universe but one that is subjective. Our universe is not the same as theirs. Non the less, they exist in our universe and we exist in theirs. The universe is subjective, yet real even apart from any consciousness.
huh?
Pffft. Inflation theory or dark energy theory is just as much an "act of faith" on the part of the believer as any concept of an intelligently created universe........
It would be a forced happiness if people are stripped of the ability to feel negative emotions or desires. Which is nightmarish.
Not if it meant I could never feel sorrow or pain again. Without the contrast of our negative experiences, what would be so special about the positive ones? Even absolute love would become watered down by a lack of contrast.Given the chance, would you want to experience absolute love? Not just love from another human, but absolute love that could only come from God?
Not if it meant I could never feel sorrow or pain again. Without the contrast of our negative experiences, what would be so special about the positive ones? Even absolute love would become watered down by a lack of contrast.
I have no desire to change your beliefs, just a comment: if you will become inhuman, then who you are will die. You will not be preserved, you will be stripped of what makes you who you are. We are the sum of our strengths and flaws, to lose either is equally bad. And I never stated that deities are impossible, just that the particular one you believe in is highly unlikely, and that possibility is not going to be enough to justify belief in someone like me. I have been trying to believe for over 6 years now.Well I believe when we die, we are no longer human. When we die, the absolute truth is revealed and it's either absolutely true that you'll spend the rest of eternity in heaven with God or it's absolutely true that you won't. I'd rather not imagine what the absolute truth is when you don't spend the rest of eternity in heaven with God. Again, these are my beliefs, I can't force you to believe them. Just like you can't force me to believe there is no God, why would I believe this when it can be shown that it's possible for God to be real. I'd rather believe the possible is possible, rather than the possible is impossible.
A god-with-a-capital-G? The Christian "God"? I find that unlikely. How would you substantiate that comment?
I am guessing it gets sort if boring after awhile.
I have no desire to change your beliefs, just a comment: if you will become inhuman, then who you are will die. You will not be preserved, you will be stripped of what makes you who you are. We are the sum of our strengths and flaws, to lose either is equally bad. And I never stated that deities are impossible, just that the particular one you believe in is highly unlikely, and that possibility is not going to be enough to justify belief in someone like me. I have been trying to believe for over 6 years now.
I'm arguing that accepting an absolute objective reality necessitates the belief that your consciousness realizes a degree of that absolute objective reality (only a degree because we can't comprehend absolute objective reality) and that absolute objective reality is not dependent on your consciousness, BUT if your consciousness is required to realize A DEGREE of that absolute objective reality then why doesn't it makes sense for there to be an absolute consciousness that "realizes" that absolute objective reality?
If you want to start talking about the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, well we need not go any further than the Fermi paradox or Drake equation. The idea of God can also explain these things. If you're claiming the universe can be subjective then the universe would have to be conscious, do you really believe the universe is conscious?
Define "absolute love"Given the chance, would you want to experience absolute love? Not just love from another human, but absolute love that could only come from God?
Um, why would we need to resolve all that when i'm just using it as a hypothetical?
Define "absolute love"
I have issues with this. Again I think imagination is being confused with belief. To believe is to already know something and thus there would be point in discovering it. No advancement can occur with belief.Not really.
Scientific investigation is based on believing things on faith and then putting those beliefs to the test; rejecting those which do not work and retaining those which do, for further investigation.
What part of that is illogical?
If proof were needed before belief, then no experiments would ever take place; no new ground would ever be broken, no discoveries ever made.
I have issues with this. Again I think imagination is being confused with belief. To believe is to already know something and thus there would be point in discovering it. No advancement can occur with belief.
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