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Do you need evidence to know your conscious? If you don't need evidence then why do you believe you're conscious?
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What evidence do you have for this claim? What observed mechanisms does this whatever use to do whatever you're claiming it does?
Seems like you're making a rather large jump here, and I don't see it as justified in any way other that "it seems" OK to you. Most people are going to have a higher standard of evidence than that.
You still haven't defined "absolute truth". Your answer in that thread was: "No one can define absolute truth, all we can comprehend is that it must not be able to contradict itself."
You stated in the other thread: “You need to have faith in absolute truth and the absolute truth is that God has sacrificed himself for all of us and we should have faith in Jesus because of this.”
So, I need to have faith that a thing that you wont define and have not/cannot demonstrate exists, because of the existence of a thing that you cannot show to exist, and I need to have faith – that is, belief without evidence – in Jesus because of this.
I'm not entering a debate where the fundamental term underpinning the argument remains undefined and you claim is undefinable. That's just an exercise in futility. It's the logical equivalent of nailing jelly to a wall, or punching fog.
Why do you believe you are conscious when you don't need evidence to know you are conscious?
Obviously, I can't force you to believe anything, I can only hope to present my beliefs in such a way that might help you question your own beliefs.
I believe in an absolute truth. I believe in absolutes. The question is do you believe in absolutes?
Why do you believe you are conscious when you don't need evidence to know you are conscious?
Or trying to prove to someone that you are conscious. You can't prove this,
I've also attached the concept of the existence of absolutes that can be used to show that God is just as possible as an atheist belief of there being no god.
Do you really not know what an athiest is or are you just trying to create a straw man argument against athiests to justify your own beliefs??If you really want to talk with atheists about God then you need to understand their reasoning. Once you understand their reasoning you can show them that their reasoning leads to irrational thinking.
I've attached a graphic that goes through a conversation with an atheist and points out all the problems with their thought process. Take a look and let me know if you have any input.
I've also attached the concept of the existence of absolutes that can be used to show that God is just as possible as an atheist belief of there being no god. It all comes down to belief, except that the idea of God seems more true when considering relativism and absolutism together.
You can also visit this forum http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/god-real-thought-experiment to see the full extent of this reasoning in action.
Do you really not know what an athiest is or are you just trying to create a straw man argument against athiests to justify your own beliefs??
I am guessing it gets sort if boring after awhile.Whenever a christian starts a thread discussing what atheists really think, I just cringe and wait for the strawmen to appear.
Will people have the option to do wrong? To be unfair?
Ken
Being conscious is really good evidence that you are conscious.
What would be compelling to atheists is evidence that is independent of your beliefs.
That wasn't the question. The question I asked is "what is absolute truth". You're deflecting and diverting. Your failure to define it, after repeated requests, is noted.
You can't have a debate on something unless you have defined terms.
As for whether I "believe in absolutes"? The question itself is malformed. It makes no sense. Absolutes exist in reality. They require no belief.
You may as well ask me whether I believe in chocolate, or binaries.
Who says I don't have evidence of consciousness? I'm not taking your word for it, without evidence.
Try this: Have someone knock you unconscious. While unconscious, try to prove to someone that you are conscious. When you wake up, try to prove to someone that you are conscious.
Do you really think we can't provide evidence for consciousness?
Which only goes to show that to validly decide if there is god or not you need to stop believing first. Atheism is absense of belief. And as you guys love to say, " Believing is Seeing". There goes your theory.Your own consciousness is good evidence for YOU, but not for me, I have to believe you are conscious because I can see you are typing on this forum. I have to believe your existence is absolute and not dependent on my existence. However, if you absolutely exist how could you ever not absolutely exist?
What would be compelling to a Christian is evidence that God doesn't exist that is independent of an atheists beliefs. Do you see how it can go both ways simply because it all comes down to belief?
I would agree if there is a God his existence should be as obvious as the guy standing next to youI think most Christians an Athiests would agree that if there is a god he should not need to be proven.
So there is no free will in Heaven?It wouldn't be a perfect eternity if "people" had the option to do wrong. I don't believe we will be people at all, but rather purely spiritual beings made one with God, but not equal to God, just unified to him like a man a women become one when married, at least in the Christian sense, not the secular sense.
If you really want to talk with atheists about God then you need to understand their reasoning. Once you understand their reasoning you can show them that their reasoning leads to irrational thinking.
I think we can all agree that objective reality exists even though we can't be absolutely certain because of the barrier of our brains, would you all agree with this statement?
If you agree then you can say with certainty that you believe there is an absolute unchanging reality that exists and is not dependent on your subjective mind to exist, agree?
If there is an absolute unchanging objective reality then how could it be possible for our universe to once be an absolute objective singularity and then become an absolute objective non-singularity without any outside force acting on it?
My argument is that it's impossible for this to happen because as we're all aware any action in our objective reality requires energy. There could never be any energy in a singularity
My argument is that there is an absolute mind (God) that isn't confined to time and space that is the force/energy/action
(which we can't comprehend because this force is beyond our time and space)
that created all we observe and experience. This makes sense to me which is why I believe it
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