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It is a vision of an event that has already happened, that is my point. Rev. 16 says when the Seventh Vial is poured out IT IS DONE meaning the Anti-Christ and his minions have been defeated. Rev. 19 is the whole Seven Year Period told in one chapter, from the Rapture it shows MANY PEOPLES IN HEAVEN, then we Marry the Lamb/Jesus and return on White Horses to help Jesus defeat the wicked or Babylon/Worldly people. This is the very same fight going on in chapter 16 when the Seventh Vial is poured out, most all of these chapters overlap each other, except the chapters with the Seals/Trumpets and Vials, and even some of those overlap, it is just the Seals/Trumpets and Vials which NEVER Overlap each other.
False Religion (Harlot) is destroyed in chapters 6 and/or 7 you see the Martyred Saints under the alter ? Well the Anti-Christ is destroying Christians, coming after Israel, and destroying Islam and all Religions at that very time. So Rev. 17 happens during Rev. 6 and Rev. 7.
Rev. 18 is Babylon, which is only this world and the Nations that come against Israel. We see the Seals happened in chapters 6 and 7, we see the Trumpets happened in chapters 8 and 9. Then the Vials come to pass in chapter 16.
MY POINT IS.....These are different Visions that OVERLAP, I did a blog on this a while back, I will post it below to give you a understanding of my thought process on this.
Revelation is not in chronological order
Revelation chapter six is the Seals being opened, so it is not ending right before the return of Christ with us Saints in Revelation 19. The end of each of these chapters I point out below ends close to Jesus' return, like chapter 12, we know it starts at around the birth of Israel/birth of Christ but it ends with Satan chasing Israel into the wilderness in the 42 month period and her being protected 42 months, which puts the end of the chapter right at Jesus' return.
1. Revelation chapter 7 ends with the Saints that died in the Tribulation standing before the throne of God.
2. Rev. 9 has the Armies of Armageddon/200 thousand, thousand.
3. Rev. 10 is John eating the the book which had the uttering's of the seven thunders, in 7:7 it says when he begins to sound, the mystery of God will be finished.
4. In Revelation 11 the two witnesses prophesy 1260 days. The end of the 1260 will be at the end minus the Seven Last Vials.
5. In Revelation chapter 12 I have already explained, it ends with Israel in the Wilderness for 1260 days.
6. Rev. 13 speaks of the Beast and his 42 months. This will be the end of the age no doubt.
7. Rev. 14 has Jesus and the 144,000 and ends with the angel thrusting the sickle into the earth to harvest the harvest.
8. Rev. 15 is the description of the coming Seven Last Plagues.
9. Rev. 16 is the Seven Vials of Gods wrath.
9. Rev. 17 is the Great Harlot being Judged of God. (Happened earlier in Rev. 6 and 7, but no doubt continues till the end.)
10. Rev. 18 is the World (Babylon) being judged by God by the Seals the Trumpets and the Vials.
Then in Revelation 19 we see the Saints who were raptured coming back with Jesus on white horses. They/we (Church) are in Heaven Marrying the Lamb and we are there for a Seven Year Period. So much of the book of Revelation is happening at the same time or overlapping. The only things that NEVER OVERLAP is the Seven Seals/Seven Trumpets and Seven Vials, except for the Seventh Seal bringing forth the Seven Trumpets and likewise the Seventh Trumpet bringing forth the Seven Vials.
Most all of those chapters are happening concurrently/overlapping.
The story of Rev. 17 is the Anti-Christ destroying the Harlot or False Religion, well since he DEMANDS WORSHIP by all in Rev. 6 when he conquers Israel and in Rev. 7 and even 13 is a retelling of Rev. 6 and 7, the Anti-Christ has power over the Saints for 42 months, the Anti-Christ starts conquering in Rev 6 which means this is when he conquers Israel.
These are IN TRUTH different visions, but just a different vision, or an enhanced vision, about the same events in many cases. AGAIN, only the Seals/Trumpets and Vials never overlap, everything else does.
God Bless
Yes, I see your point about chapter 17 and agree.
Do you see the seals, trumpets and bowls as happening concurrently, or in succession?
Rev. 17:1-6 was one vision about the Woman sitting on the Beast and describing the Woman. Rev. 17:7 asks a question, WHY DOD YOU MARVEL, then says I WILL TELL THEE THE MYSTERY OF THE WOMAN AND THE BEAST SHE RIDES UPON.A new vision did not begin at Rev. 17:1.
John uses the word...after...as a key for when new
visions start.
after this
after these things
You are confusing the four living creatures in 4:6 with angels. They are not the same.How did the great tribulation happen in Rev. 7 unless the dragon
and woman symbols were seen back then?
four angels....the four angels
Notice how a set of other angels shows up to seal people.
They leave and go where?
What did John say he saw by the time of Rev. 8:2?
the seven angels
John used the definite article. the
This means here is not the first place he watched them.
I don't think the beasts add to our understanding of the seals. The text tells us all we need to know about what the seals do. Unless you can think of a relationship between the beasts and the seals; I would be interested.The first 4 seals are opened by the four beasts in turn (Revelation 6:1-8) ... so I would say the symbolism of the lion must relate to our understanding of the first seal, the calf to the 2nd seal, the man to the 3rd seal, and the flying eagle to the 4th seal (Revelation 4:7).
I find it interesting that some have seen the symbolism of these 4 creatures reflected in the 4 Gospels, in the same sequence.
I suppose it depends on what you think the four beasts are - I consider them to be spiritual power emanating from God to help His people.I don't think the beasts add to our understanding of the seals. The text tells us all we need to know about what the seals do. Unless you can think of a relationship between the beasts and the seals; I would be interested.
Yes, some people relate the beasts to the gospels but I am also sceptical that there is a relationship there.
Interesting idea of the four living creatures, but did you get that from Ezk 1? And how does that idea affect the way you understand the seals?I suppose it depends on what you think the four beasts are - I consider them to be spiritual power emanating from God to help His people.
As for the Gospels, I think the 4 writers were influenced by God's Spirit to present a different aspect of Jesus Christ.
The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, describe events from a similar point of view, as contrasted with that of John.
The first 3 beasts are terrestrial creatures whereas the 4th beast (flying eagle) seems a good symbol for John's Gospel.
Hi there! Did the idea of relating the four living creatures to the gospels come from one of those later gospels?You are skeptical for good reason. There were dozens of gospels circulating by the time John of Patmos received the Revelation.
The Seven Angels poured poured the Vials of Gods Wrath and John saw what WAS TO COME LATER so it was a Vision of the Wrath of God coming upon the Anti-Christ and his minions. The vision in Rev. 17 has nothing to do with the destruction of the Anti-Christ, it is the Anti-Christ and his Kings destroying all the Religions of the world, even Christianity, and trying to destroy Israel, whom God protects. So the Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION....Nothing more nothing less. So it is indeed a different vision.Rev. 16:1
"And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels. Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth."
What can we glean from this verse?
And-shows this is not the first part of the story, prophecy, vision
a great voice - shows a new voice has come on the scene
John has not heard it before this point.
the seven angels - active before this point set of angels
Yes, these people beheaded Christians. At that time in the vision it was PAST TENSE.Rev. 16:6
"For they have shed the blood of the saints..."
not are shedding the blood of the saints and prophets
No one can 100% correctly interpret it, only God has the full knowledge.Who can interpret it Absolutely right and accurate?
Who can interpret it Absolutely right and accurate?
Can you recommend me source of interpretation for this book?
I am very interested to know The End Time events.
Sure there is "one right interpretation" of Revelation, because it means what it means. Now there are many who do not understand even remotely what God meant via the book of Revelation, that is true, but there is still just one meaning and thus one interpretation.With the book of Revelation there is no one "right" interpretation. It is a sort of every-man-for-himself scenario. Every single person on this Earth will interpret it differently. You also must understand when reading through the book that Paul (the author) was not quite sure what he was seeing as he was writing it. He was just as confused as those trying to interpret it. I am in no way shape or form saying that Revelation may not be accurate. Remember always: God gave the authors of the Bible the words they were to write. They are God's words. Not those of mankind. I too enjoy reading about the prophesy of the end times. Have fun exploring and good luck!
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