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You'd have to ask them.Aren't there testimonies of ex-gays here on CF who genuinely changed their sexual orientation?
I thought I'd seen a few.
How do they do it?
What do they say worked for them?
I believe you're making assumptions here. First off there should be no judgement of a fellow Christian's sin, regardless of the sin. Second, the view of gay marriage from conservatives has little to do with sin and more to do with the institution of marriage and Who instituted it. Lastly, this debate over what is or is not sin, living in sin, etc. is fruitless when the salvation of man (or woman) is given by the grace of God unconditionally to whom He gives it.Wait. Adultery is the only "exception" for divorce, as per the Bible. So if a person divorces their spouse for a reason not adultery, then remarries, that second marriage is an ongoing act of adultery. That is the conservative reading of scripture on divorce and remarriage. Except for lately, when they decided that they hate two gay single people marrying each other more than they hate remarriage without the "exception".
That is not what the Bible says. It states quite categorically that the only exception for divorce is adultery. So, you don't mind ignoring that, but when it comes to SSM, then the institution of marriage (including multiple divorce and remarriage) is all important. That is the hypocrisy I see, quite clearly.I believe you're making assumptions here. First off there should be no judgement of a fellow Christian's sin, regardless of the sin. Second, the view of gay marriage from conservatives has little to do with sin and more to do with the institution of marriage and Who instituted it. Lastly, this debate over what is or is not sin, living in sin, etc. is fruitless when the salvation of man (or woman) is given by the grace of God unconditionally to whom He gives it.
What is your point in lumping me, or other conservatives in your self-righteous view of what we believe? I've already clearly stated that divorce is sin as it is cleary taught in the NT. Lying on your tax return is a sin. Stealing time from work is a sin. A sin is a sin, and no man should judge another by his sin. We should only encourage and lift up those struggling with sin. What does any of this have to do with SSM?That is not what the Bible says. It states quite categorically that the only exception for divorce is adultery. So, you don't mind ignoring that, but when it comes to SSM, then the institution of marriage (including multiple divorce and remarriage) is all important. That is the hypocrisy I see, quite clearly.
To be fair, conservatives teach against it all, homosexuality, adultery, promiscuity, divorce, dishonesty, abuse.Wait. Adultery is the only "exception" for divorce, as per the Bible. So if a person divorces their spouse for a reason not adultery, then remarries, that second marriage is an ongoing act of adultery. That is the conservative reading of scripture on divorce and remarriage. Except for lately, when they decided that they hate two gay single people marrying each other more than they hate remarriage without the "exception".
Ok. Thanks for that clarification. I wouldn't have known otherwise.Because you quoted my post when you asked this, I have to mention just in case, altho my faith icon should say it, that please don't mistake me as a representative of liberal Christian opinions. I'm a social liberal and an ex-Christian.
This is true about what conservatives believe.I've already clearly stated that divorce is sin as it is clearly taught in the NT. Lying on your tax return is a sin. Stealing time from work is a sin. A sin is a sin, and no man should judge another by his sin. We should only encourage and lift up those struggling with sin.
Wait. Adultery is the only "exception" for divorce, as per the Bible. So if a person divorces their spouse for a reason not adultery, then remarries, that second marriage is an ongoing act of adultery. That is the conservative reading of scripture on divorce and remarriage. Except for lately, when they decided that they hate two gay single people marrying each other more than they hate remarriage without the "exception".
Well that's a scary thought.just yesterday a thread was created by a member who admitted to hating (literally) Liberals and homosexuals. He doesn't hate child molesters, murderers, or rapists. No. Just people who are different to him.
Very true.I see the same problem. mercy and allowances towards all sorts of heterosexual sin and acting inconsistently towards a homosexual person doing the same thing. to Jesus sin was all the same, and what mattered was consistency if you judged at all. Hypocrisy was not tolerated, and mercy was encouraged .. especially towards the woman caught in adultery, and he didn't even make an issue with the Samaritan woman at the well having had 5 husbands and living with someone at the moment who wasn't her husband, what she remembered about it was that Jesus told the story of her life having just met her, but why is it that she didn't remember him saying harsh words about her lifestyle? Probably because he didn't say anything like that .. pretty sure that was it.
Huh? How could a sin not be a sin. That's self contradictory. We disagree on what actions are sin, because we think you are taking some passages out of context.Are you guys saying some sins aren't sins, and some sins are sins?
Revulsion, contempt, disgust for the sin absolutely. Is there any sin in 1 Corinthians 6:9 that isn't revolting?Although most people don't call it what it is, and claim to hate the sin, not the sinner, I have seen NO love whatsoever expressed towards individuals on these boards who have openly spoken about their homosexuality or those who are transgender (or in the process) by Conservatives. I have seen revulsion, contempt, and disgust. This is not loving the sinner. Not on anyone's terms, and certainly not those of Jesus.
That's what I meant.Huh? How could a sin not be a sin. That's self contradictory. We disagree on what actions are sin, because we think you are taking some passages out of context.
You mean these passages: Leviticus 18:22, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Leviticus 20:13-15, 1 Timothy 1:10, Romans 1:26-27, Jude 7 ?Huh? How could a sin not be a sin. That's self contradictory. We disagree on what actions are sin, because we think you are taking some passages out of context.
Well, the biggest question I've ever had regarding this forum has been answered. Conservative and liberal must only refer to theology here. It absolutely can't refer to politics. For example, people all across the political spectrum are Orthodox Christians. However, no matter our politics we qualify as theologically traditional (i.e. which must be what is referred to as conservative around here).
So we're immediately back to the sinfulness of homosexuals ... it amazes me, it truly does.
It's like "of course everyone sins .. but anyway, those gay people ..."
It would be nice if just once a conservative would avoid ad hominem. That passage could just as easily be applied to conservatives. How many postings have I seen telling people to choose their churches to be those where you hear conservative preaching? Everyone likes to hear people that think like they do. Are you making a serious attempt to avoid that temptation?It seems "the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions" (2 Timothy 4:3).
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