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Why do you assume anyone does assume that?BTW, why would you assume that the conscience is limited to ostensibly minor sins such as theft and lying?
What in Mk 16:16 excludes God's choosing, as stated in 1Pe 1:2?Ithinks you are vacous, but prove me wrong.
Per Jesus in Mark 16:16, God is not in charge of choosing!
Nor can I help you if you can't understand NT apostolic teaching.I cannot help you if you are calling Jesus a liar!
See post #2201 for Ro 5:12-15,Being that you brought it up, exegesis Romans 5:12:15 and 1 Peter 1:2 and let me judge!
HOW do they come to believe? God is indeed in charge —of everything!Per Jesus in Mark 16:16, God is not in charge of choosing!
(Sigh). I don't see any burden of proof on me.Biblically demonstrate where Paul refers to conscience in Ro 5:12-15, particularly in his sense of Ro 2:14-15.
Sorry. . .conscience does not govern where there is law.(Sigh). I don't see any burden of proof on me.
...Sin has no meaning without conscience.
...Without conscience, I would likely be in the same contradiction as you - having to explain away the sin of Sodom, Gomorrah, and Noah's era.
You're not making sense. There are no plausible exceptions to the rule of conscience. Name one.Sorry. . .conscience does not govern where there is law.
Irrelevant. Courts administer imperfect justice. If courts were perfect, they would judge us ONLY by the rule of conscience. Again, honoring the rule of conscience is the UTMOST a man can do, in terms of righteous behavior. A perfect court would therefore be satisfied with that alone.Try telling the Court it was "not against my conscience."
And in point of fact even the courts sometimes acknowledge the relevance of conscience. Intent is sometimes a consideration in a ruling.Try telling the Court it was "not against my conscience."
You're the one who brought up theft and lying. I assumed there was a reason for it.Why do you assume anyone does assume that?
Are you serious?Irrelevant. Courts administer imperfect justice. If courts were perfect, they would judge us ONLY by the rule of conscience.
Perhaps this notion that "sin has no meaning without conscience", is why some feel free to come up with their own encapsulations of the way of things, to the point that some even claim God is not omnipotent after all, and think they are being Biblical.Sorry. . .conscience does not govern where there is law.
Try telling the Court it was "not against my conscience."
I guess Hitler is not to be condemned then, after all?You're not making sense. There are no plausible exceptions to the rule of conscience. Name one.
Irrelevant. Courts administer imperfect justice. If courts were perfect, they would judge us ONLY by the rule of conscience. Again, honoring the rule of conscience is the UTMOST a man can do, in terms of righteous behavior. A perfect court would therefore be satisfied with that alone.
If you knew of a scenario warranting departure from the rule of conscience, you'd have already named it hundreds of posts back. Hitler will be judged accordingly.I guess Hitler is not to be condemned then, after all?
Um...er...we're 2250 posts deep, and you still can't name one scenario that clearly warrants departure from the rule of conscience. I rest my case.Are you serious?
I rest my case.
Notice how it is the posters steeped in contradictions who need to continually deflect.Good for them!
God is not in charge of everything. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation (Romans 1:16-17). No naval gazing (or theorizing on predestination) is required to accept or reject that Gospel. Do not over-complicate it!HOW do they come to believe? God is indeed in charge —of everything
God is not puppet-master. Romans 10:17 says that faith comes from hearing the word of God. Why does Paul present that factoid if even what men pay attention is controlled by God? How does God judge men if He controls their every choice of what to think on!? That is your fatalistic and determinist philosophy which assigns God decreeing our every action in advance. I cannot find scripture stating that God signs up for that. Assuming your determinism, men can blame God for sin by saying that God controls our every action. Time for you to ditch the puppet strings. God does not use irresistable force (as taught by Calvin) to influence man's actions. When under severe duress both Jonah and Paul changed course. Under duress, Balaam did not change course as Exodus and the book of Jude explains. Under life's hard knocks, men can choose to be a Paul or a Baalam. Although Balaam was a legitimate prophet who God spoke to, his ass demonstrated more wisdom than he did.HOW do they come to believe? God is indeed in charge —of everything!
False narrative. I agree with 1, but not with you. Hitler did what his evil conscience directed. Conscience is not always good.If you knew of a scenario warranting departure from the rule of conscience, you'd have already named it hundreds of posts back. Hitler will be judged accordingly.
I think you'll agree with me that Hitler is in hell. So we've got two possible ways to view this outcome:
...(1) God is righteous and good. Hitler chose evil, and is paying for it. This is my outlook.
...(2) Hitler acted in good conscience - he was a perfectly well-intentioned, good guy to be celebrated. He always did what was right to the best of his knowledge, adhering to the rule of conscience. God is thus the evil jerk who wrongly threw this decent man into hell. Evidently this is your outlook.
I'll stick to my guns on this.
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