how people survived ?

b*unique · Jun 23, 2005

people seems so fragile in comparison with other apes,
and generally animals,also the children take very long
time to reach adulthood

i wonder,how did people survive?

how is it possible that people who live
the ancient way,once they leave their environment,catch up really fast with modern world ?

just a few questions for fun

comana · Jun 23, 2005

Humans adapt well to their environment.

b*unique · Jun 23, 2005

yes,but it takes time

Nymphalidae · Jun 23, 2005

Answer to question 1: community.

comana · Jun 23, 2005

b*unique said:
yes,but it takes time

Yes it does, but how much time are you speaking of? I guess I am a little unsure of what you are asking in your OP

b*unique said:
people seems so fragile in comparison with other apes,
and generally animals,also the children take very long
time to reach adulthood

i wonder,how did people survive?

how is it possible that people who live
the ancient way,once they leave their environment,catch up really fast with modern world ?

just a few questions for fun

When you ask "i wonder,how did people survive?" My answer is that they survived because they were able to adapt to their environment. Not in one day of course.

And this "how is it possible that people who live
the ancient way,once they leave their environment,catch up really fast with modern world ?"

What is the ancient way? If you mean a person who has not seen modern technology and who eventually adapts, well that is one of the keys to human survival. We adapt well to our environment.

b*unique · Jun 23, 2005

there were more powerful communities

comana · Jun 23, 2005

b*unique said:
there were more powerful communities

Explain?

b*unique · Jun 23, 2005

comana said:
Yes it does, but how much time are you speaking of? I guess I am a little unsure of what you are asking in your OP

any example will do,the more the better

When you ask "i wonder,how did people survive?" My answer is that they survived because they were able to adapt to their environment. Not in one day of course.

yes,but there were bigger,faster,stronger animals competing for food,and
preying on people,how did people compensate fast enough?
children take long time to grow,and it's not easy to grab them and run ether

And this "how is it possible that people who live
the ancient way,once they leave their environment,catch up really fast with modern world ?"

for example,tribal living people,they are aware of modern people,and some decide to leave,and addpat very fast,with similar ablities ,IQ,etc..why did they stay tribal if they were smart enough?

b*unique · Jun 23, 2005

comana said:
Explain?

apes for example

b*unique · Jun 23, 2005

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comana · Jun 23, 2005

b*unique said:
yes,but there were bigger,faster,stronger animals competing for food,and
preying on people,how did people compensate fast enough?
children take long time to grow,and it's not easy to grab them and run ether

How do we defend ourselves now? We were not the only prey animimal out there and I am sure many were taken along the way. We are also keen predators ourselves.

The type of adaptation needed here goes back to community. Larger groups can more easily hunt and defend.

b*unique said:
for example,tribal living people,they are aware of modern people,and some decide to leave,and addpat very fast,with similar ablities ,IQ,etc..why did they stay tribal if they were smart enough?

Tribal life is simple, no need to "modernize".

comana · Jun 23, 2005

b*unique said:
apes for example

We are apes. I assume by more powerful you mean physical strength. True, unarmed combat with an Orangutan, Gorilla, or Chimp a human is at a huge disadvantage. I am sure early human evolution was a huge challenge for survival but as we can see brain won out over braun.

b*unique · Jun 23, 2005

comana said:
How do we defend ourselves now? We were not the only prey animimal out there and I am sure many were taken along the way. We are also keen predators ourselves.

were people predators from the start?
without tools hardly-no claws,no teeth,no speed,no strengh...throwing rocks?
does it make a good predator?

The type of adaptation needed here goes back to community. Larger groups can more easily hunt and defend.

stil ,the time for children to grow up is very long,babies are unable to hold on mothers,people are not natural swimers,or tree climbers,sort of slow,clumsy,poorly equiped-quite an easy prey,even in larger groups

Tribal life is simple, no need to "modernize".

yes,but if those people have the same abilities,sure there would me more creative individuals in between them,trying to improve..

comana said:
We are apes. I assume by more powerful you mean physical strength. True, unarmed combat with an Orangutan, Gorilla, or Chimp a human is at a huge disadvantage. I am sure early human evolution was a huge challenge for survival but as we can see brain won out over braun.

brain sort of won,but was there enough time?
that is my question

Hydra009 · Jun 23, 2005

b*unique said:
were people predators from the start?
without tools hardly-no claws,no teeth,no speed,no strengh...throwing rocks?
does it make a good predator?

It depends on what you are hunting. If you are stealing eggs and eating various insects and wild plants, then homo sapiens are good predators right off the bat.

brain sort of won,but was there enough time?
that is my question

Since we're here to talk about it, apparently so.

Oh! Good article at the BBC about this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/cavemen/chronology/contentpage6.shtml

comana · Jun 23, 2005

were people predators from the start?
without tools hardly-no claws,no teeth,no speed,no strengh...throwing rocks?
does it make a good predator?

No, I believe they were scavengers first.

stil ,the time for children to grow up is very long,babies are unable to hold on mothers,people are not natural swimers,or tree climbers,sort of slow,clumsy,poorly equiped-quite an easy prey,even in larger groups

Humans evolved over the course of millions of years. Those problems might be valid for a modern human form with ancestral ape intelligence, but that is not what we find in the fossil record. Modern humans evolved through the course of many iterations of hominid forms. The key to our survival is intelligence since our body structure is hardly ideal.

yes,but if those people have the same abilities,sure there would me more creative individuals in between them,trying to improve..

That's my point, they have no need to improve- which is a relative term anyway. The "improvements" we have are nice, but take a lot of effort to maintain.

brain sort of won,but was there enough time?
that is my question

yes

[Edit to add] This is not my area of expertise, I am likely wrong in the details but I think my general understanding is correct.

Governed Apology Exploded · Jun 23, 2005

I would think it'd be that humans are better at using their surroundings to compensate for their lack of personal physical ability. As we evolved, we lost our physical abilities and gained mental abilities to compensate at the same time (or those that survived to reproduce, at least). Using rocks as a weapon would be quite an advantage, considering no other animal does so as efficiently as we can.

for example,tribal living people,they are aware of modern people,and some decide to leave,and addpat very fast,with similar ablities ,IQ,etc..why did they stay tribal if they were smart enough?

With less people and much less knowledge to work with, humans advanced and learned slowly at first. There was also the lack of writing, as we didn't have much to write on and record our knowledge with.

nvxplorer · Jun 23, 2005

I don't think humans were a preferred prey animal. Cats have preyed on antelope and gazelle for millions of years. While fleet footed animals such as antelope have superior escape capabilities, man has the advantage of not needing to place every member of the group in danger while feeding. Think about it. If you were a cat, and there were herds of wildebeest ripe for the taking, would you take advantage of that opportunity or go in search of some human which may or may not be poking around some caves?

Humans simply outwitted their competitors. Instinct is nice, but intelligence wins out when it comes to knowing the habits of predators, how to avoid them, where to seek shelter, etc. Once weapons were developed, the game was essentially over.

nvxplorer · Jun 23, 2005

b*unique said:
how is it possible that people who live
the ancient way,once they leave their environment,catch up really fast with modern world ?

The ability to learn and the ability to invent are distinct qualities. All humans have the ability to learn, regardless of their current state of knowledge. The ability to invent is not shared equally by all. While everyone can learn and understand what Edison did, not everyone can duplicate his accomplisments. Also, a need must be perceived (wonder plays a part in invention, but I discount that here), and such needs are met incrementally. In other words, a primitive hunter in Papua New Gunea will be concerned with improving his spear, not thinking about harnessing radio waves. Knowlege grows incrementally as well; it also grows exponentially. The reason the "modern" world is more "advanced" than primitive societies is because of the sharing of knowledge.

b*unique · Jun 23, 2005

Hydra009 said:
It depends on what you are hunting. If you are stealing eggs and eating various insects and wild plants, then homo sapiens are good predators right off the bat.

Since we're here to talk about it, apparently so.

Oh! Good article at the BBC about this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/cavemen/chronology/contentpage6.shtml

even for stealing and insect eating any monkey will leave people in shame
yes,i get that point,but i wanted a fun tread about this,not having any agenda,just pondering

i like BBC..will check it out

comana said:
No, I believe they were scavengers first.

hmm,that would again have loads of other animals interested,and people's
seem to be more fragile generaly,even in digestion,and problems with
disease

Humans evolved over the course of millions of years. Those problems might be valid for a modern human form with ancestral ape intelligence, but that is not what we find in the fossil record. Modern humans evolved through the course of many iterations of hominid forms. The key to our survival is intelligence since our body structure is hardly ideal.

modern humans ,tool using and creative has not been her e all that long

That's my point, they have no need to improve- which is a relative term anyway. The "improvements" we have are nice, but take a lot of effort to maintain.

they may have no need,but what about yearning , creativity,fulfilment?
look at isolated and very advanced examples,like aztecs,incas,mayas...

Yeliryor said:
I would think it'd be that humans are better at using their surroundings to compensate for their lack of personal physical ability. As we evolved, we lost our physical abilities and gained mental abilities to compensate at the same time (or those that survived to reproduce, at least). Using rocks as a weapon would be quite an advantage, considering no other animal does so as efficiently as we can.

why would gaining mental abilities require loss of physical?
and other way round,how did they survive?
that is what i keep thinking,if they were fit,they needed no brain,
if they were weak,how come they had enough time to work on problems?

With less people and much less knowledge to work with, humans advanced and learned slowly at first. There was also the lack of writing, as we didn't have much to write on and record our knowledge with.

hmm,the writing is fairly new,people were almost the same then as today

***

what about the children?
we have loads of disatvantages in that area...

Lilandra · Jun 23, 2005

MacGyver uses his surroundings to compensate for his lack of personal physical ability. He shows a medieval named Merlin, who practices ancient ways, how to adapt to modern ways using science.

Yeliryor said:
I would think it'd be that humans are better at using their surroundings to compensate for their lack of personal physical ability. As we evolved, we lost our physical abilities and gained mental abilities to compensate at the same time (or those that survived to reproduce, at least). Using rocks as a weapon would be quite an advantage, considering no other animal does so as efficiently as we can.

With less people and much less knowledge to work with, humans advanced and learned slowly at first. There was also the lack of writing, as we didn't have much to write on and record our knowledge with.

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