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Please don't explain what my position is, as you don't seem to understand it. Prayer is NOT a conversation.
It's very easy to prove what form prayer takes as Jesus taught us that, and the Bible is filled with examples of prayer, none of which match yours.
We don't have any examples of "speaking back" in the texts that I am aware of. How did you come to the conclusion that God "speaks back"?
After this post I am unsubscribing because you just can't have a conversation with people. Every post to me takes a jab that makes it not worth even trying. "I wonder where you came up with this idea?" I didn't Jimmy, God did.Did Jesus say that His prayer was merely "an example, not something to literally repeat"? I also wonder how you came up with this idea.
Then do what RD Kirk suggested, define it for everyone else so that there is no misunderstanding. This is what adults do... we don't keep looking for ways to beat up on one another or malign one another, we all love God through Christ here. So, define it, and make it so there is no misunderstanding. And if we agree with you, great... and if we don't, great. This isn't a salvation issue, this is dealing with the definition of one word.Please don't explain what my position is, as you don't seem to understand it. Prayer is NOT a conversation.
It's very easy to prove what form prayer takes as Jesus taught us that, and the Bible is filled with examples of prayer, none of which match yours.
I answered in a reply using Alex's post. If that isn't enough for you, that is fine.
After this post I am unsubscribing because you just can't have a conversation with people. Every post to me takes a jab that makes it not worth even trying. "I wonder where you came up with this idea?" I didn't Jimmy, God did.
Matthew 6:9a In this manner, therefore, pray......
"In this manner" can be translated "like this" or "along these lines" or like so"..... it isn't saying, "say these exact words... it isn't saying, "repeat after me." He said, "do it LIKE this," and the word "like" is a simile, a word used as a expression, a FIGURE OF SPEECH, that denotes us doing something in a manner that RESEMBLES (but doesn't copy) whatever the "this" is when one says, "like this."
You have no power over me, so you can't prevent me from anything. That said, I did give an example. When we pray we talk to God... but the just live by faith and faith comes by HEARING GOD. So if we pray, "God will you make a way for me to do X," and you hear, "Walk on this path to make that so," then you are in communication, having a conversation, and living by faith.If you cannot or will not back your wild assertions regarding prayer, then it is best that you unsubscribe, because I will not let you get any with throwing things out there as if they are gospel, when they are simply untrue.
Also, please don't be one of those people who threatens unsubscribing, yet never does. If find that childish.
And I will add... sometimes prayer is simply praise. We can stop and just lift up all the things He means to us (You're awesome, you're great, you're magnificent, etc.) and that is prayer too, even though in that case you are not waiting for an answer. Every word has more than one meaning and I have only keyed in on ONE because you are fighting it, Jimmy. Prayer has many definitions and we are both probably correct with the one we have, to this point, placed the greater weight on. It is simply that every word has more than one meaning.
I am trying to give you a chance to do one simple thing... define the word for us. I asked twice, RDKirk asked... so define it or I will unsubscribe. Not a big deal.Yes. Jesus covers that. No one here, least of all me, said anything different.
I knew that you wouldn't unsubscribe, BTW.
You have no power over me, so you can't prevent me from anything. That said, I did give an example. When we pray we talk to God... but the just live by faith and faith comes by HEARING GOD. So if we pray, "God will you make a way for me to do X," and you hear, "Walk on this path to make that so," then you are in communication, having a conversation, and living by faith.
Again, if you don't accept that definition, fine... but don't allow a disagreement over a definition of a word to cause division. The definition of this word is not a deal breaker, it is NOT a salvation issue, not even close!
Actually Jimmy... when I first quoted it I said, "hearing comes by the word of God." As for that being "the gospel," no.. the "Word of God" is much more than that but you have shown no desire to give and take, only give. So I am done. Be blessed.You conveniently left out the lat part of that verse from Romans 10: So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
It's the "word of God", specifically the gospel, which is being referred to in Romans 10, not God chatting with you.
We hear from God through His word. He hears from us through our prays.
I am trying to give you a chance to do one simple thing... define the word for us. I asked twice, RDKirk asked... so define it or I will unsubscribe. Not a big deal.
Actually Jimmy... when I first quoted it I said, "hearing comes by the word of God." As for that being "the gospel," no.. the "Word of God" is much more than that but you have shown no desire to give and take, only give. So I am done. Be blessed.
It makes perfect sense that a person who does not know how to have a conversation with people, would not know how to talk with God.After this post I am unsubscribing because you just can't have a conversation with people. Every post to me takes a jab that makes it not worth even trying.
It makes perfect sense that a person who does not know how to have a conversation with people, would not know how to talk with God.
What's the rule of thumb? Is it monthly, weekly, daily, hourly? Also, can one be a Christian and only pray once a year? Can one pray too much?
We do not pray enough otherwise the gospel would have been preached and Jesus would have come by now.
And I will add... sometimes prayer is simply praise. We can stop and just lift up all the things He means to us (You're awesome, you're great, you're magnificent, etc.) and that is prayer too, even though in that case you are not waiting for an answer. Every word has more than one meaning and I have only keyed in on ONE because you are fighting it, Jimmy. Prayer has many definitions and we are both probably correct with the one we have, to this point, placed the greater weight on. It is simply that every word has more than one meaning.
I agree.
Amen.
What is "often enough"?
Jesus has not come because we don't pray enough? How have you arrived at that conclusion?
The ONLY way the gospel will be preached to every creature so Jesus can come (Matthew 24:14) is by praying for the Holy Spirit. We all want our opinions to be heard, and think that our opinions will somehow save us when in fact if we prayed and waited on the Holy Spirit to reveal truth, like Jesus said the Comforter would don in John 14:26 & 16:13, there would be fewer denominations and one translation of the bible. And we would all come into the unity Paul said Christians should be in when we are in Christ in (1 Corinthians 1:10). Without this unity nothing will happen to God's church. God children are not a bunch of independent atoms. We are all part of One whole. Just because the arm is not the leg does not mean they cannot be in unity. The only way we will come into that unity is through prayer. We do not pray enough!
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