how many people are PCA , PCUSA?

justjan said:

This is an EPC church. The messages are clearly from a reformed perspective. In our membership classes people are told that the WCF is the document that forms the basis of the doctrine for EPC churches.

I was blessed as a teen in that God provided me with spiritual parents who taught us to dig into the Word. We were a group of high school kids who came from non-Christian homes. We studied difficult issues. Randy didn't shy away from teaching anything.

I realize that people who do not understand the doctrinal basis of the messages can listen every Sunday and never put it all together based on those messages alone. People don't want to think that hard anymore and rarely do individuals want to really study.

One woman said that she read WCF during her attendance in the membership classes and she didn't come to understand calvinism from that. Her words were that the confession of faith only mentions predestination in passing.

She failed to ask questions, the church failed to make it clear in the membership classes. I don't mind that she disagrees with the doctrine, many do. I think that the sad part is that she feels that the church tried to hide what they stood for.

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Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:

Sadly, what most want these days is easy, feel good religion. Postmodernism is usually brought into church and most be rooted out. Actually studying means that people are going to be confronted with their own sin and their own misguided notions about themselves, God and their neighbors. That is a hard pill to swallow for postmodernists.

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justjan said:

I agree with you.

But most people when confronted with that picture say something irrational like:

That doesn't speak to my spirit.
Surely God doesn't choose people to condemn to hell.
This is NOT the loving God of the bible.

Logic goes out the window and they begin to choose which parts of the bible they will believe based on what they feel about it emotionally.

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