How many Messianic Judaism kept Sunday?

visionary · Mar 29, 2004

I ran in to a Jew who has accept Jesus as His savior and now keeps sunday. I can understand accepting Jesus but to change His heritage from Mount Sinai to Rome threw me.

Henaynei · Mar 29, 2004

Those Jews who accept Jesus and chose to follow him in the hellenistic cultural context will worship on Sunday as do the rest of the hellenistic believers - these are not Messianic Jews but rather Hebrew Christians I *suppose* that some Jews who come to faith in Yeshua and continue in the Jewish cultural/religious context might also choose to add Sunday to their practice - though for the life of me I truly can't see why.... but, then, a lot excapes me these days....

Quite a number of hellenized gentile believers that come into the MJ movement continue to keep Sunday for many years, even after they begin to keep Shabbat. Some traditons die slowly.

SeekingTorah · Mar 29, 2004

Pray4Isrel said:
Most MJ converts "Keep Sunday" out of guilt. And isn't that what Yeshua delivered us from to begin with?

Amein!

schwartmrs · Mar 29, 2004

I'm probably gonna get beheaded for this, but here goes...

We worship on Sunday. and we feel we have good reason to.

First, our perspective on Shabbat.

We stay home for Shabbat. We light the candles, say the prayers, etc. We use that time to reinforce the relationships with each other and with the Lord. We sit down and really talk . We pray with each other and separately, and we don't make any plans to do anything...whether it's going out, having company, doing laundry...whatever...we live this day in a completely different way than any other day.

Now, for our perspective on Sunday.

We believe that Sunday is not a "day of rest", but rather a "day of work"...on this day, we work for the Lord, in the Lord's house. We view it as a tithe of our time . Not only are the hours between 7 am and 11pm a full 10% of our week, but it is the best of our week because it is after the Sabbath and we are well rested, and it is the first 10%...which always belongs to God.

Maybe someday we will change our practices, but for us, it makes sense and we have peace about it.

Shade

Henaynei · Mar 30, 2004

schwartmrs said:
Maybe someday we will change our practices, but for us, it makes sense and we have peace about it.

Shade

That is the FIRST reasonable explaination of Sunday activity I have ever heard

In that perspective, I would have to slightly ammend my original comment to state I don't understand why Messianics go to church.

b'Shalom
Henaynei

Sephania · Mar 30, 2004

Some are Kefa's and some are Yochanan's who are we to say who is who?

Henaynei · Mar 30, 2004

Zayit said:
Some are Kefa's and some are Yochanan's who are we to say who is who?

1) Both Kefa and Yochanan were Jewish and kept the Shabbat and had never seen a church

2) I am NOT saying "who is who" - just saying I don't understand MJs that continue in the church.... likely just my personal failing

ShirChadash · Mar 30, 2004

Hey Shade -- works for me girl. I thought that was an excellent post you made ^ up there. Would that all who attend church everywhere would spend that day serving and tithing their time to G-d. *shrug* That was just a very good point IMHO.

Sephania · Mar 30, 2004

Henaynei said:
1) Both Kefa and Yochanan were Jewish and kept the Shabbat and had never seen a church

2) I am NOT saying "who is who" - just saying I don't understand MJs that continue in the church.... likely just my personal failing

Ah, come on Henaynei, do I appear that naive?

I am sorry my post seemed to be so obscure, what I was referring to had nothing to do with Kefa and Yochanan being Jewish or in church but rather on waht Mrs Schwarts said about her calling to celebrate Shabbat as well as attend church and serve the L-rd that way.

Maybe someday we will change our practices, but for us, it makes sense and we have peace about it.

You said that it was

That is the FIRST reasonable explaination of Sunday activity I have ever heard

and I was agreeing in my way and answering her at the same time.

I had in my mind the end of Yochanan, where Yeshua asks Kefa if he loves him and then tells him what he service of His will entails. Then Kefa sees Yochanan following behind them and asks the L-rd "what about him?" what is his job to be, and basically Yeshua tells him to mind his own business, that if he wanted him to stay around till he comes again he will, but its none of his bussiness, to just do what the L-rd has lead him to do.

She is keeping Shabbat in her home and working for the L-rd on Sunday, and sounds like being a bridge builder for now and that must be what the L-rd wants her and her family to be doing right now.

That was in no accusation at what you said Henaynei, none whatsoever, I am sorry it looked that way because I followed your post.

Henaynei · Mar 30, 2004

Zayit said:
That was in no accusation at what you said Henaynei, none whatsoever, I am sorry it looked that way because I followed your post.

Sorry, maybe I'm a bit gun shy these days - fault mine

JewishHeart · Apr 1, 2004

I love shabatt, as somebody who goes to congregation on shabbatt, I miss doing it shwartz's way. Having Shabatt for myself, rest, lighting candles, and intamacy with God and going to church to fellowship with the believers on Sunday. He has a point...but in Israel Sunday is another work day...only one day off a week.

Anyways, I don't have a problem with people going to church or to meet with the believers on the first day of the week as long as they keep Shabatt as Fri night-Saturday and not Sunday. Besides this meeting with other believers on Sunday is an Acts principle, because all the disciples were good Jews and went to Shul on Shabatt, so they met with the "WAY" on Sunday. Not because the first day was holier, just because Shabatt was Shabatt and was not a day to meet with other believers- so they did it on Sunday.

Anyways,

I don't understand what the problem with the Gentile church is, I would go in America to church on Sunday and to messianic synagogue on Shabatt. I would get the Jewish roots of my faith ( and what I believe to be the true way to follow Adonai) on Shabatt, but honestly I would get filled with the Holy Spirit and life on Sunday. I think Dan Juster's article is great about this subject.

www.tikkunministries.org

Henaynei · Apr 1, 2004

I find the spirit in abundance in shul - and in my prayer time and siddur time - but my way is definately not the only way - fer shure! Just because I don't understand the necessity/desire/purpose/etc to go to church doesn't mean I reject churchgoers - by any means

schwartmrs · Apr 1, 2004

Just because I think its funny (and to make y'all scratch your head and wonder )....

I grew up with this approach to Sabbath. This was something that I was taught...not something I discovered on my own. I was taught from a very young age....

By an elderly Mennonite pastor in a little white church out in the country.

We may spend our lifetimes pointing out the flaws in various Christian denominations, but every once in a while, they show that they have wisdom. That pastor, bless him, taught me a great many things that are of "Truth".

Isn't that cool???

Shade

Henaynei · Apr 1, 2004

schwartmrs said:
Just because I think its funny (and to make y'all scratch your head and wonder )....

I grew up with this approach to Sabbath. This was something that I was taught...not something I discovered on my own. I was taught from a very young age....

By an elderly Mennonite pastor in a little white church out in the country.

We may spend our lifetimes pointing out the flaws in various Christian denominations, but every once in a while, they show that they have wisdom. That pastor, bless him, taught me a great many things that are of "Truth".

Isn't that cool???

Shade

Omeyn - yes it is!!!

visionary · Apr 2, 2004

http://www.rabbiyeshua.com/articles/2001/sunday.html

I ran across this website and the Sabbat-Sunday and the history that was given was interesting. I think it sheds some light on the subject at hand.

PLease view and comment

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