Then show how their interpretation is incorrect. For example, how would the pattern of shared DNA between species be different if evolution were true, since you claim that evolution is false?
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Yes, but that doesnt mean they interpret data correctly, or that a consensus must be infallible.
Indeed they are, but the scientific method is designed to strongly offset these biases. I am quite confident that an "atheist" who understands science would agree that s/he is indeed fallible with respect to matters of "interpretation" - hence I think your critique above is not correct - but they would point out that the specific disciplines of the scientific method greatly reduce the risk that biases and errors of "interpretation" become entrenched.Atheists are bias, just as all humans are, and it clouds their judgment. They think they alone interpret things infallibly, and that their consensus is always right. This however is not true.
Then show how their interpretation is incorrect. For example, how would the pattern of shared DNA between species be different if evolution were true, since you claim that evolution is false?
Then perhaps you didn't notice that I actually responded to your post?
Indeed they are, but the scientific method is designed to strongly offset these biases. I am quite confident that an "atheist" who understands science would agree that s/he is indeed fallible with respect to matters of "interpretation" - hence I think your critique above is not correct - but they would point out that the specific disciplines of the scientific method greatly reduce the risk that biases and errors of "interpretation" become entrenched.
Christians will need to accept that the weight of evidence in favour of evolution is, at present at least, quite overwhelming.
Here is a quote that I think is appropriate here. It was written by an author who was visiting Auschwitz and is reflecting on different ways that people can use to get knowledge about the world:Science also turns man into nothing but an animal.
Thats the problem with science, it only sees natural things, but cannot see into mans soul. Even then it cant see properly. TO science, love is just a chemical reaction, or electrical response in the brain. If effect science turns man into a robot. Science also turns man into nothing but an animal.
Science is a tool to help us understand physical reality, nothing more, nothing less. Its you who misapply it when you try to use it for things it is not designed for and then complain about the results. Its like complaing that a hammer is not a saw.
Here is a quote that I think is appropriate here. It was written by an author who was visiting Auschwitz and is reflecting on different ways that people can use to get knowledge about the world:
It's said that science will dehumanize people and turn them into numbers. That's false, tragically false. Look for yourself. This is the concentration camp and crematorium at Auschwitz. This is where people were turned into numbers. Into this pond were flushed the ashes of some four million people. And that was not done by gas. It was done by arrogance, it was done by dogma, it was done by ignorance. When people believe that they have absolute knowledge, with no test in reality, this is how they behave. This is what men do when they aspire to the knowledge of gods.
Science is a very human form of knowledge. We are always at the brink of the known; we always feel forward for what is to be hoped. Every judgment in science stands on the edge of error and is personal. Science is a tribute to what we can know although we are fallible. In the end, the words were said by Oliver Cromwell: "I beseech you in the bowels of Christ: Think it possible you may be mistaken."
Creationists often do this, claiming that ToE is "just a theory". This strongly misrepresents the actual facts. And these are that the weight of evidence supporting the central hypotheses that make up what is called the "theory of evolution" is impressive indeed. To say evolution is "just a theory" is like saying that "general relativity" is just a theory even though, as is the case for evolution, there is tons of evidence to support the "theory" of general relativity. Or that the claim that smoking causes cancer is "just a theory".I dont agree. If science was truly open minded on this theory, as they claim to be, then they would admit that ToE, in whole, is just a theory which has problems, and cannot actually be fully observed or understood. However they do the opposite, they cram it down your throat and force feed it to you, as if it were as true and as observable as the the air we breath.
A hammer is not a saw, but it can be used in a like manner if one has proper skills.
The Nazis were way ahead of others in scientific achievement. They loved science, and created many problems for the world. Your comparison actually supports my assertion, not yours.
No. You will not be able to provide even a shred of evidentiary support for your implication that scientific thinking led to the rise of Nazi Germany. Yes, Germany was advanced in scientific developments, but what scientific development, idea, or principle, undergirds the belief that Jews need to be eliminated? Or that Germany has the right to rule Europe and perhaps the whole world?The Nazis were way ahead of others in scientific achievement. They loved science, and created many problems for the world. Your comparison actually supports my assertion, not yours.
Creationists often do this, claiming that ToE is "just a theory". This strongly misrepresents the actual facts. And these are that the weight of evidence supporting the central hypotheses that make up what is called the "theory of evolution" is impressive indeed. To say evolution is "just a theory" is like saying that "general relativity" is just a theory even though, as is the case for evolution, there is tons of evidence to support the "theory" of general relativity. Or that the claim that smoking causes cancer is "just a theory".
Here is the big problem: In our "sound bite" culture, the word "theory" has somehow taken on the meaning of a set of hypotheses that have yet to be subjected to testing and verification. Well, there can be theories like that but the ToE is definitely not one of them. It has tremendous evidential support.
Im not a creationist. I'm just some guy who looks at ToE evidence and sees problems, and potential problems. I think its wise to remain skeptical and not follow the consensus.
So you want to use the scientific method to answer metaphysical questions? Which by definition is beyond physical reality? And you complain that atheists rely on science to much.
Yeah, a nazi comparison will surely give weight to your argument.
I think the physical reality that you are citing, is not actually reality but instead fallacy.
Im not a creationist. I'm just some guy who looks at ToE evidence and sees problems, and potential problems. I think its wise to remain skeptical and not follow the consensus.
Any group can follow the folly of the Nazi's. Im not trying to sling mud, just make a positive comparison. An observation.
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