How many 2024 predictions have already failed? How many HAVE to fail before people realise?

eclipsenow said:

"Peace peace" right up until JUDGEMENT DAY! BOOM!
Sudden, inescapable, eternal.
Not whatever end-times-table you're struggling with all your might to insert there somehow.
Jesus himself returns! In judgement.

There's always war on the earth.
But there's also always periods of peace.
But the huge, world shaking events futurists are prone to? Nah. See - it's going to be a surprise. We'll know nothing - just as Jesus said.

All your timetables are a bit of a giveaway. Too many people would figure it out IF that's what Revelation was actually about. But because it's not - people stare at it - draw up their own crazy wall - and then try to promote that with all their might. But hey - if you've got this whole 7 year timetable thingy to insert somehow - you have my sympathy. It's just Jesus himself does not support that view.

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That's what Trump says.He will give Israel peace.
If you wish to believe him ,then that's your fault for believing lies.

Jeremiah 6:14
They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. ‘Peace, peace,’ they say, when there is no peace.

eclipsenow said:

"Peace peace" right up until JUDGEMENT DAY! BOOM!
Sudden, inescapable, eternal.
Not whatever end-times-table you're struggling with all your might to insert there somehow.
Jesus himself returns! In judgement.

There's always war on the earth.
But there's also always periods of peace.
But the huge, world shaking events futurists are prone to? Nah. See - it's going to be a surprise. We'll know nothing - just as Jesus said.

All your timetables are a bit of a giveaway. Too many people would figure it out IF that's what Revelation was actually about. But because it's not - people stare at it - draw up their own crazy wall - and then try to promote that with all their might. But hey - if you've got this whole 7 year timetable thingy to insert somehow - you have my sympathy. It's just Jesus himself does not support that view.

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PS
You are getting your lies mixed up.
Ive said nothing about 7 years.

eclipsenow said:

Really? Wow. So - where does it say "United States" and where does it say "Russia" in my bible?


Oh please.


(Shakes head)
The things people have done with Daniel's writing. It would make Daniel weep.

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You don't comprehend scripture.
You don't know what the United States is in scripture.You don't know where the US,,/Iraq wars or anything is in scripture,and that is no one fault but your own .

eclipsenow said:

Ewwww! Believe Trump? I'd rather believe some total stranger's end-times-table just because they said it was true (clap your hands 3 times and say "I do believe in fairies, I do! I do!") than believe anything that came out of that man's mouth! (He has been diagnosed as a Malignant Narcissist by psychiatrists that have never met him - but have thousands of hours of footage of him)

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Who is the biggest narcissist in the bible?

Picture of Israel yesterday.

eclipsenow said:

You do like to accuse others of lying, don't you?
Except - if you would be so kind - please go back and check my source?
I might not be a man of great character - but my source certainly is.
And there's no USA or Russia in the bible - not matter how many times you try to ram those words over Daniel!

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There is a chapter that is almost entirely about US presidents and what they accomplish in the middle east .
But instead of watching as Jesus commands us to do in the bible,you sleep through it all.Youve been misled by common men who taught you not to watch.

You don't know what hour of the night the thief comes because you don't watch.

Mathew 24
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

tailgator said:

You don't comprehend scripture.
You don't know what the United States is in scripture.You don't know where the US,,/Iraq wars or anything is in scripture,and that is no one fault but your own .

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The United States isn't in Scripture.
The Iraq War isn't in Scripture.

-CryptoLutheran

tailgator said:

There is a chapter that is almost entirely about US presidents and what they accomplish in the middle east .
But instead of watching as Jesus commands us to do in the bible,you sleep through it all.Youve been misled by common men who taught you not to watch.

You don't know what hour of the night the thief comes because you don't watch.

Mathew 24
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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It is the one who is obsessed with predictions, rather than being a faithful servant, that is not keeping watch.

It's not the self-styled prognosticator of the future that is a faithful servant, but the one who sees the hungry and feeds them, who sees the thirsty and gives them drink, who sees the naked and gives them clothes, who sees the sick and imprisoned and visits them, who sees the foreigner and welcomes them, "For whatever you did to the least of these you did it unto Me".

You are presenting a total upside-down and out of context view of the words of Christ in the Olivet Discourse.

-CryptoLutheran

tailgator said:

Who is the biggest narcissist in the bible?

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Other than the devil? There are a few contenders, there's Nebudchadnezzar, we have Pharaoh, we have King Saul. Even among the saints we see the flaws of many, from Samson to David to St. Peter the Apostle.

The problem with concupiscience is that we, all of us, are born with the corruption of our inborn passions so that we are bent inward toward ourselves; and so we--without the grace and work of God--are dead in our sins, in service to our passions, with our belly as our god which leads to destruction. This is the tragic problem of Original Sin, and thus "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" and "there is none who is righteous, not even one"; and thus we need the gracious intervention of God through the Gospel by which we shall be imputed the righteousness of Christ who suffered and died for us, and was raised that we might live. So that the old man might be put to death, having been dead and buried with Christ in baptism, and the new man created and raised up. That our sins be forgiven, that we have received that new birth which is by water and the Spirit, and are made a new creation in Christ. Though there remains the constant struggle between the old and the new man, as the Apostle discusses in the 7th chapter of Romans, nevertheless our hope in Christ means that there remains now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For we have received in Christ a life that shall never pass away, and a hope that shall be perfected, and in light of what God has done and is doing and will do we are called to remain steadfast in faith, cleaving to Christ, in the hope of that future glory, the resurrection of the dead and the life of the Age to Come.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

The United States isn't in Scripture.
The Iraq War isn't in Scripture.

-CryptoLutheran

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So you believe you know it all.

The problem with believing you know it all is you make yourself to be as knowledgeable of Gods word as God himself.

I literally watched the second invasion of Iraq while I read about it in the bible.

ViaCrucis said:

It is the one who is obsessed with predictions, rather than being a faithful servant, that is not keeping watch.

It's not the self-styled prognosticator of the future that is a faithful servant, but the one who sees the hungry and feeds them, who sees the thirsty and gives them drink, who sees the naked and gives them clothes, who sees the sick and imprisoned and visits them, who sees the foreigner and welcomes them, "For whatever you did to the least of these you did it unto Me".

You are presenting a total upside-down and out of context view of the words of Christ in the Olivet Discourse.

-CryptoLutheran

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False accusor.
Jesus is literally talking about watching and knowing when the master of the house will come.
These ten verses is not about sharing a pot of beans with a neighbor.
It's about keeping watch and knowing when the master comes.


Mathew 24
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

tailgator said:

So you believe you know it all.

The problem with believing you know it all is you make yourself to be as knowledgeable of Gods word as God himself.

I literally watched the second invasion of Iraq while I read about it in the bible.

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It's manifestly silly to say that I think I know it all simply because I don't believe your particular claim.

-CryptoLutheran

tailgator said:

False accusor.
Jesus is literally talking about watching and knowing when the master of the house will come.
These ten verses is not about sharing a pot of beans with a neighbor.
It's about keeping watch and knowing when the master comes.


Mathew 24
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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When the master of the house returns, it will be when the servant does not expect it. To claim that this is about being able to know when Jesus returns is to take the exact opposite meaning of the text.

If Jesus wanted us to know when He was going to return, He'd have told us; instead He says we won't know. He explicitly says that.

You're free to believe in whatever non-biblical stuff you want. But I'll stick to Scripture and two millennia of faithful Christian witness.

-CryptoLutheran

How in the world does someone come to the conclusion that keeping watch means you are supposed to ignore every sign Jesus and the prophets give in the bible ?

Mathew 24
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

ViaCrucis said:

It's manifestly silly to say that I think I know it all simply because I don't believe your particular claim.

-CryptoLutheran

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You didn't say you didn't believe my claim.

You said the United states is not in the bible .The Iraq war is not in the bible.

The only way you can make such bold claim is by knowing and understand every prophecy and word in the Bible without fail.

ViaCrucis said:

When the master of the house returns, it will be when the servant does not expect it. To claim that this is about being able to know when Jesus returns is to take the exact opposite meaning of the text.

If Jesus wanted us to know when He was going to return, He'd have told us; instead He says we won't know. He explicitly says that.

You're free to believe in whatever non-biblical stuff you want. But I'll stick to Scripture and two millennia of faithful Christian witness.

-CryptoLutheran

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The only servant who does not know when the master comes is the wicked servant.


. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

tailgator said:

How in the world does someone come to the conclusion that keeping watch means you are supposed to ignore every sign Jesus and the prophets give in the bible ?

Mathew 24
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

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Jesus was clear that concerning His coming there aren't signs. Instead He says it will be as in the time of Noah, people going about their business, getting married, having families, when without warning the flood came. He says two will work the grindstone, one taken and one left; two will be working the field, one taken and one left.

If you want to know what Jesus means about being watchful, don't stop reading, keep reading. Read the rest of the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 25. Who are the unwise virgins? The ones who failed to bring enough oil to last through the night (they did not endure through the wait); who is the faithless servant? The one who, instead of taking what he was given and doing something with it, buried it in the ground and waited around until the master came. When the King comes to Judge, there will be those on His right and on His left, what does He say to those on His right? What does He say to those on His left?

Notice that absolutely none of this has to do with trying to make predictions. The signs the Lord gives come before He talks about His return, and are the signs of the destruction of the Temple, fulfilled during the Jewish-Roman War. Near the very start of the Discourse the Lord warns against listening to people claiming to know things, "If someone says He is in the desert, do not believe them", He says that when we see wars and rumors of wars, natural disasters, or kingdom rise against kingdom, that this isn't a sign of the end, these are birthpangs.

You know where else that talk of birthpangs shows up? In Romans 8, talking about the pain of creation currently suffering under the futility of death, longing for the day of resurrection. That's what birthpangs are--a world that is hurting because there is sin and death. That's why there is war, that is why there are rumors of war, that is why their are earthquakes and other natural disasters, that is why nations rise against nation, and kingdoms against kingdom--because we live in a fallen and broken world of sin and death.

Read the entire Olivet Discourse, and read it carefully. Let the text speak for itself.

-CryptoLutheran