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How do we know what is possible (what can be true)?

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Although I'm a Christian, I owe this self-ascription less to outright belief in the actual existence of God and the actual truth of the Resurrection than I owe it to the combination of the following two beliefs:

(1) To prove that something is possible in concrete reality (and not just in the domain of pure metaphysical abstraction) requires substantially more than just imagining or conceiving that thing's existence. That is, conceivability/ability to be imagined ≠ ability to exist.

(2) It is possible to prove that God/the Resurrection are possible.

If I only believed (2), I might not be anything different from the average agnostic or even atheist. (However, some theists argue that if God is necessarily possible, then God is actually necessary, wherefore an atheist would be put upon in a debate with such people to even deny possibility of God.) Because of (1), though, I think my position might be thought of as neither theistic nor atheistic but transtheistic.

Now for the rest of the point of the thread: what standards do you use when judging that something might be true? How many forms of "might be" do you work with?
 

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What does it mean to be "necessarily possible"?

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What does it mean to be "necessarily possible"?

Maybe I misspoke... Here's what I was trying to refer to (from Ontological Arguments (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)):


 
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Hey I've got one:
1) There is a possible world where money grows on trees
2) Thus, money grows on trees

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Kinda like Gaunilo (not sure what his full name was, or even if I've spelled this part of the name right) and the "perfect island"?
 
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I distinguish logical possibility from metaphysical possibility. Metaphysically possible entities/states of affairs/worlds comprise a subset of all logically possible entities/states of affairs/worlds.

For example, there seems to be a (logically) possible world in which everyone is forced to endure hellish torment for all of eternity with no hope of escape, since it seems there might be (i.e. that it is metaphysically possible for there to be) a logically-consistent world-sized set of propositions describing such a world, but I don't think such a world is metaphysically possible because I think creating it would be contrary to God's loving nature.

One area where I've run into some problems with this is that of miracles (if miracles are understood to be violations of laws of nature, that is). Is it metaphysically possible for a law of nature to be violated?

Say, for example, that I take a lead weight and throw it out into a lake. Now say that instead of sinking to the bottom as it should, the weight "floats" on the surface of the water. Assume that no natural physical mechanism is preventing the weight from sinking. Is the object I've thrown really floating?

I answer thusly:

Either

1. If the object is truly floating, then it has been altered in some way. For although it seems to be (metaphysically) possible for an exhaustive set of propositions describing the object's being spatially located atop the water (in a manner consistent with floating) to be logically consistent, it does not seem to be metaphysically possible for the unaltered weight to truly float, since it is proper to the nature of the object to sink.

or

2. If the object is unaltered, then it is not truly floating, but only appears to be floating, as per the above reasoning.

(I am assuming here that laws of nature are grounded in the natures of substances, as per a broadly Aristotelian moderate realism.)
 
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Well, since I was born only a little while ago, I tend to think of everything as possible, and that I'm just on a journey learning why and what those things are. I also believe that I matter, otherwise I wouldn't be here, or there would be no point to reason, so... This has led me to be both humble and not too unquestioning of my ability to know things. I do see logic as superior because if it were not superior, that would still be superior in a logical way. Therefor, I also think that if there is anything to know or worth knowing, it is knowable. I see life as something good, so I aim first at comfortable assumptions at how things should be, but, I am not so arrogant to assume my own thinking is all there is, and so, I look for variances in the principles I find because why assume what is best instead of really finding what is best? However, I also am on guard at being too comfortable, as I recognize that I can be wrong. This leads me to take on many different avenues of other people's revelations, and not just my own. Though, I have found that most of the time, mine works better for me. In the end i have had to accept many things that are true, even if they aren't comfortable, as I would honestly, even if I truly found that I myself do not matter, and reasoning is useless. But I have yet to find this. Most evidence points against it. I am rewarded by my honest search of truth and my humility to see things in not only my own way. My life is good and I do much good i.e. I make many people feel like they matter and treat others the same way. However, I will say, to finalize my answer to your question, if something does not change regardless of my desires, it is true. This is the final step in how I judge everything. First what logic says: is it possible, workable, without too many "absurdities," i.e. reasonable efforts needed to be made to say it is, after all, you can't bleed yourself dry on anything. Second, is it good: does it benefit, make happy, bless, uphold what it stands for, as in, just because it could be true, doesn't mean it pleasant. Thirdly, does it change according to my desires. if something is seen as logical but not good, I may fight it, if it hurts too much to accept, but after a good fight with the emotions comes the inevitable conclusion that it is true, or, that, thankfully, it isn't. But the only way to be able to rest on a conclusion is to have dealt with it internally with all integrity, because some things hurt, but, alas, they are true.
 
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