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Although he remained loyal to the Catholic Church and its doctrines, he seems to have succeed by withdrawing from any confrontation with any authorities.
The fraticelli were a small group of extremists and held heretical views. They are not a measure of Francis himself. They were for example donatists , a heresy outed centuries before, and claimed they alone had the true faith. They gave the pope little choice.Actually, a group of Francis' followers (the "Fraticelli") were condemned as heretical in 1296, and a number of other leading Franciscans were imprisoned. So yes, there was a confrontation.
Some Protestants see Francis as a forerunner of the Reformation.
Cool dude. Had a mission to the poor.Although he remained loyal to the Catholic Church and its doctrines, he seems to have succeed by withdrawing from any confrontation with any authorities. How do Protestant denominations view Francis of Assisi in comparison say to John Wycliffe, Jon Huss, etc.?
I don't think most Protestants are that deeply into church history.Although he remained loyal to the Catholic Church and its doctrines, he seems to have succeed by withdrawing from any confrontation with any authorities. How do Protestant denominations view Francis of Assisi in comparison say to John Wycliffe, Jon Huss, etc.?
The fraticelli were a small group of extremists and held heretical views. They are not a measure of Francis himself.
I don't think most Protestants are that deeply into church history.
Whatever Francis himself thought (and much of what we "know" about him is myth), he started a revolution, with the Fraticelli being a major part of the Franciscan Order. Some would say that the Fraticelli were the ones who truly carried on the teachings of their founder. Indeed, the Blessed John of Parma, the 6th Minister General of the Order, was one of the Fraticelli.
St Bonaventure, the 7th Minister General of the Order, succeeded in putting the revolution back into the box. Had he not done so, Church History might have run a very different course.
The fraticelli were extremists in view, and heretics and certainly not representative of either Francis or franciscans generally.
They would beg to differ. So would the Blessed John of Parma, the 6th Minister General of the Franciscan Order.
But they were suppressed, so there are no more Fraticelli to ask.
As I said, St Bonaventure, the 7th Minister General of the Order, succeeded in putting the revolution back into the box.
However, there is a fairly good (though not perfect) portrayal of the Fraticelli in Umberto Eco's The Name of the Rose.
The story of the Medieval western church as I have most often heard it told by Protestants is that the church did many wonderful things, but (being an organization full of human beings) also strayed from its mission from time to time, getting distracted by wealth, political power, or simple complacency. Reformers periodically emerged from within the church to call it back to its central mission. Sometimes these reforms were at least partially successful and were incorporated into the life of the church; the founders of the monastic orders, including Francis of Assisi, are examples of this. Sometimes the reforms were strongly resisted by the church and resulted in schism; the Reformation is the most notable example of this.Although he remained loyal to the Catholic Church and its doctrines, he seems to have succeed by withdrawing from any confrontation with any authorities. How do Protestant denominations view Francis of Assisi in comparison say to John Wycliffe, Jon Huss, etc.?
Protestants are such a diverse group that I would almost never speak of a consensus among Protestants.Ploverwing, is your view a consensus among Protestants, or do some denominations simply want to dismiss him as a naive idealist who didn't condemn the corruption of the Church??
For Protestants, church history doesn't go back that far.Whaaaat?
But Francis came centuries before the Protestant Reformation. How many even know who he is?I would think that strong Protestants would feel that Francis was unwilling to challenge the corruption of Roman Catholicism....
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