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Borealis said:This is why it's good to be a Catholic. Instead of going through mental contortions to try and understand what the Bible 'really' means, if I come across something I can't figure out in the Bible, I'll just ask someone who knows more about it...like St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, or any of the other men who've been inspired by the Holy Spirit for the past two thousand years. People talk about the changing interpretations of the Bible...the Catholic Church hasn't changed its interpretations since the beginning. What was true in 45 A.D. is still true today.
What was true in 45 A.D. is still true today.
Jesus My Wisdom said:Are you not inspired by the Holy Spirit?
JMW
artybloke said:No doubt a very comforting thought. However, as none of the NT had actually been written at that time, that would be somewhat unlikely. That, and the fact that if took a further 400 or so years of often vicious and frankly unChristlike wrangling for the church to actually agree on its core beliefs.
And I'm sure that Augustine and Aquinas were very wise and we can still learn from them. But I doubt they're anymore inerrant than any biblical scholar of today; and they would have had considerably less knowledge of such things as historical context.
And besides, do you really think that the Holy Spirit has stopped doing new things in the church?
Borealis said:As for those 400 years, the Church wasn't wrangling about what was Sacred Scripture. True, there was no official canon until Carthage and Hippo, but isn't it interesting how those councils independently came up with the same canon? If that's not inspired, please tell me what is.
msortwell said:The advice that several have offered (Scripture interpreting Scripture) is an excellent point. But it is only one of many basic tools that we should master if we are going to study God's Word in depth.
I would recommend that anyone seriously interested in improving their ability to interpret that Bible find a reliable (and relatively comprehensive) book on the subject. I have benefited greatly by "Principles of Biblical Interpretation" by Louis Berkhof. Also of great worth is Milton Terry's "Biblical Hermeneutics." I would suggest starting with Berkhof (only 161 pages as compared to Terry's 700+).
For any of us it is also of great value to compare what ever interpretations we arive at with the interpretations set forth in commentaries by trusted teachers/theologians. Yes, I know, "the writings of men." Please note however, that I advise that you first interpret the text for yourself, and then compare your understanding to that of godly men you have learned to trust.
I know this sounds like a cop-out, but the science of hermeneutics can be complex. One of the wonders of the Scriptures is that a child can read God's Word and find within the text the wisdom unto salvation, yet its depths are so great that we will never be able to fully exhaust its capacity to teach us the things of God.
Mike
Borealis said:This is why it's good to be a Catholic.
Borealis said:Instead of going through mental contortions to try and understand what the Bible 'really' means, if I come across something I can't figure out in the Bible, I'll just ask someone who knows more about it...like St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, or any of the other men who've been inspired by the Holy Spirit for the past two thousand years.
Borealis said:People talk about the changing interpretations of the Bible...the Catholic Church hasn't changed its interpretations since the beginning.
Borealis said:This is why it's good to be a Catholic. Instead of going through mental contortions to try and understand what the Bible 'really' means, if I come across something I can't figure out in the Bible, I'll just ask someone who knows more about it...like St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, or any of the other men who've been inspired by the Holy Spirit for the past two thousand years. People talk about the changing interpretations of the Bible...the Catholic Church hasn't changed its interpretations since the beginning. What was true in 45 A.D. is still true today.
uncle david said:That is the measure of your faith! oh ye of little faith, you look to men for answers yet are they only men, years are nothing, faith is everything. it grieves my heart to hear that this self proclaimed son of the living God does not look to his Father for his Father's word, but to men, who lie, steal, kill. God is not a man that he should lie! Satan has no power to turn the tv on! he lies to the weak in faith to make them turn themselves around. according to your faith, let it be.
I think that it's great to look to those who are (or were) more mature for spiritual guidance, but I don't think that we can trust them as implicitly as we can the Bible. The Bible is right per se; in my opinion, no one's interpretation of the Bible is correct without question. There are people who have been led by the Spirit, and I would accept their words with great trustingness, but I wouldn't trust them so much that I could never challenge what they say if I disagree. This differs from the Bible, where I must not challenge it, even if I do disagree.Borealis said:Now, are you going to tell me that I shouldn't look for guidance to those who were given that awesome gift?
TSIBHOD said:Now, I know that in your opinion, Borealis, there are certain people, or at least certain interpretations (CCC for example) that are always correct. But just because one person, or a lot of people, tells you that that is true doesn't mean you would believe it. You would still have to evaluate either Catholicism itself, or the people who told you to believe in Catholicism. You would have to decide for yourself whether or not you were going to trust what Catholicism teaches. Just believing that Popes have been inspired is not enough; you would need to have some revelation from the Holy Spirit that this was the case, or else you would be basing your trust on nothing. Do you see what I mean? In this way, you can't get away from the fact that you have to have some personal revelation from the Holy Spirit -- you can't just trust others to have that, since you have to have it to even know that you really should be trusting them.
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