How do I find a job?

highlife · Feb 15, 2011

liars_paradox said:
I was with Highlife in thinking that Ireland was doing good. I remember from geography class which I took last summer, that Ireland's low tax-rate and cheaper wages, plus no tarriffs from any other EU member country, were really helping their economy.
Assuming that the video that my professor had us watch was out of date, then what happened to Ireland? Why is their economy doing so poorly now?

Not sure, you would have to look at alot of different factors, a big one being individual income taxes or sales taxes. If you give the buisness a huge break but tax the workers to death then you will not recirculation of money because the buisnesses just put the profits in an account to invest where ever and the workers will only be spending on nessicities.

The big problem that the USA and europe have is that it is nessicary to have gov and taxes but only for certian things like infrastructure, etc once you start paying for massive social programs your sunk, no one with a job wants to pay for that. Its one thing to help the very sick and very old but every one in between needs to stand on their own 2 feet.

There are also union issues and gov corruption issues, you cant pay someone 40$/hr to stand around and hold a sign in a construction zone and stay cost efficient. It all boils down to a combination of the entitlement mentality and gov/corporate corruption which is really just an extention of the entitlement mentality. Everyone thinks they are worth a bigillion dollars an hour and thats just not the case, unfortunatly some have the political and/or corporate power to inflate their own wages at the expense of others (politicians, unions, corporations who are in bed with politicians, etc).

The problem is, because we have already had like 60 years of an uneven cash grab no one is on equal footing any more and we effectivly have a aristocracy, the only way for an aristocrasy to fall is through revolution becuase the trust fund babies who's daddy is a politicial is not going to just give back that money.

Peripatetic · Feb 15, 2011

liars_paradox said:
Assuming that the video that my professor had us watch was out of date, then what happened to Ireland? Why is their economy doing so poorly now?

I'm not an expert... I was only going by reports that I heard on NPR and the Economist. The Wikipedia section on Ireland's points to Bank solvency as a big issue:

The second problem, unacknowledged by management of Irish banks, the financial regulator and the Irish government,[63] is solvency. The question concerning solvency has arisen due to domestic problems in the crashing Irish property market. Irish financial institutions have substantial exposure to property developers in their loan portfolio.[64] These property developers are currently suffering from substantial over-supply of property, much still unsold, while demand has evaporated. The employment growth of the past that attracted many immigrants from Eastern Europe and propped up demand for property has been replaced by rapidly rising unemployment.[65] Irish property developers speculated billions of Euros in overvalued land parcels such as urban brownfield and greenfield sites.

SoldierOfSoul · Feb 15, 2011

Lowes stores around the country are hiring right now for the spring, if you need a job, move quick!

highlife · Feb 16, 2011

SoldierOfSoul said:
Lowes stores around the country are hiring right now for the spring, if you need a job, move quick!

Maybe you can make a whole 8$/hr so that you can buy a tent to live in and have money to buy food when you are unemployed again, what a deal.

SoldierOfSoul · Feb 16, 2011

highlife said:
Maybe you can make a whole 8$/hr so that you can buy a tent to live in and have money to buy food when you are unemployed again, what a deal.

Better then nothing smart guy.

iamjcs · Feb 17, 2011

Continuing to pray for you, liars_paradox.

highlife · Feb 17, 2011

SoldierOfSoul said:
Better then nothing smart guy.

Depends on how much you are making on unemployment or other programs. If you could find under the table work while collecting other benifits that might be the angle you want to play because when the money runs out there will be plenty of judgement to spread around but no way to pay for housing, food or transportation.

I learned long ago that you have to do what you have to do, and all this non sense about being a "real man" is just that non sense. Does the "man up" title come with a cash bonus to pay your rent lol nope and the people feeding you that line of balony are not going to pay your rent either.

bluegreysky · Feb 18, 2011

liars_paradox said:
My questions isn't something that can be clearly answered in a Christian context, but one that, I think, can be answered in a more general context. And, that question is what other ways are there that are available for me to find work with beside sitting in my room on a computer? Because, I've been looking for work on the internet and either I haven't looked hard and long enough on the various websites out there or that I'm going about this the wrong way. Additionally, my dad and I argue and one of the things we argue about is how I should go about finding work. He says that I can't find one sitting within four-walls but he never explains what other ways are there except being "out" or whatever it is he says.

I know my dad is like most people and doesn't know how to express his thoughts in as many words for someone like me to understand so I'm hoping that someone who might be better able at explaining things and may have experienced a similar situation to that of my own might be able to offer some helpful advice.

Background information regarding my problem is that I am a graduated with a B.S in computer science in July of this year and I am currently looking for any job that my education would have prepared me for. This would go beyond just software development/engineering but testing, "support", etc. Anything that would have made my education worth while pursuing and would be able to afford me the ability to pay off my student loans and still allow me to have my own financial means to survive.

In this economy, you have to look everywhere. literally. You have to apply places you would have only worked if you were still in school, like restaurants, small retail stores and target. (i dont recommend walmart or kmart bc they don't always treat their people good). Get one with a somewhat fixed schedule and add another one to work around it.
Remember, its only temporary until you move on to your career. sometimes those simple jobs teach you valuable skills you need to succeed in the career.
Sometimes I call those stores and restaurants "occupational waiting rooms" because I hear so many stories about people who were working those simple jobs and doing awesome at it when the manager of a bigger better business found them one day and got excellent service from them and offered them a better job.

You have to find the leads online and even apply there but go and meet the people in person to show you have a face to go with the internet profile. hand a home-made resume. if you need help building one I can help you, just let me kno I do this all the time for my UPS stores.

I have been learning first-hand that the education doesn't pay off right away, but the experience in the real world (like the UPS store) does.
Those little individually franchised shipping and handling stores don't have the highest compensation nor are they the top rung of anyone's career except, of course, the owner who franchised it. They are, however, a stable "bottom or middle rung" in the career ladder because of the skills they teach.

heron · Feb 19, 2011

I have been learning first-hand that the education doesn't pay off right away,

That's good information, something people don't always want to admit.

(Btw, last page of posts he announced a good job offer.)

liars_paradox · Mar 3, 2011

heron said:
Staying with relatives will help with the social transition too. They will introduce you to people you wouldn't meet at work, which is helpful when you need to vent without ruining your reputation.

Just meet everyone you can, and later decide which ones are keepers.

Relatives will be helpful for suggesting living locations too -- with nuances like convenient transportation routes and parking.

Right, generally speaking they are.

heron · Mar 4, 2011

Time has passed -- I hope it's going well.

liars_paradox · Mar 6, 2011

SoldierOfSoul said:
Lowes stores around the country are hiring right now for the spring, if you need a job, move quick!

Sometimes, I think that God is trying to turn me into a Republican because of the people He keeps putting into my life. I used to think that people became poor for reasons that were beyond their control and that government and society should help these people to get back on their feet when life ensnares them in situations that they can't get out of easily on their own.

But, I do see that some people do NOT have the skills to live a financially secure life. Maybe these people could learn if someone would teach them, but some times they don't want to learn and there's no helping them. And, what makes matters worse is that some of these people become angry and spiteful towards those who are successful - like it's their fault that they're miserable.

It's weird how I keep getting the worst advice from people on a Christian forum. I've voiced my concerns about getting a job on other forums on the internet and this is the only one where someone would actually suggest getting a minimum wage as a solution. Like, they're angry and poor and they want me to become humbled like them.

Why? Do you realize how expensive college is!? How is a part time job an actual solution?

I'm not saying I'm too good for Lowes or Wal-Mart, but I'd work at these kinds jobs if I had no other choice. And chances are, they're not going to hire a grown man to do them anyways, because they'd likely hire illegal immigrants and kids to do the same jobs for less money.

liars_paradox · Mar 6, 2011

bluegreysky said:
In this economy, you have to look everywhere. literally. You have to apply places you would have only worked if you were still in school, like restaurants, small retail stores and target. (i dont recommend walmart or kmart bc they don't always treat their people good). Get one with a somewhat fixed schedule and add another one to work around it.
Remember, its only temporary until you move on to your career. sometimes those simple jobs teach you valuable skills you need to succeed in the career.
Sometimes I call those stores and restaurants "occupational waiting rooms" because I hear so many stories about people who were working those simple jobs and doing awesome at it when the manager of a bigger better business found them one day and got excellent service from them and offered them a better job.

You have to find the leads online and even apply there but go and meet the people in person to show you have a face to go with the internet profile. hand a home-made resume. if you need help building one I can help you, just let me kno I do this all the time for my UPS stores.

I have been learning first-hand that the education doesn't pay off right away, but the experience in the real world (like the UPS store) does.
Those little individually franchised shipping and handling stores don't have the highest compensation nor are they the top rung of anyone's career except, of course, the owner who franchised it. They are, however, a stable "bottom or middle rung" in the career ladder because of the skills they teach.

It depends on what kind of skills that you're talking about. For the kind of jobs that I would normally apply to, they never seemed to care if I worked at a fast food restaurant or pizza delivery before. They would rather I worked for free doing open source than working at a UPS store or anything else like that because these jobs didn't offer me any kind of skills that could be transferred to a job in software development.

However, I was beginning to think that maybe a job working one of these "waiting room" jobs might be something I could do because I called the people whom I owed money for my student loans, and they said that I wouldn't have to pay any of it back if I didn't have a full time job. So, with a "waiting room", not only would I NOT have to pay off my student loans right away, at least I could work in a low-stress environment.

But, right when I was beginning to accept the idea of working a part-time job and still trying to live somewhere outside of my parents' house, I was finally offered a full-time job. So, now I am obligated to pay off my student loans, on top of the other things that I have to pay for as well....

But, I did keep praying to God for a job. And, when I started engaging in sin again, I was offered this job. But, I am in no means rich or anything. That's something that people in my life are going to have to realize. I still have quite a few bills to pay off and I don't know if I make enough money to pay for them all on my own. I'm, right now, still a burden on my parents.

highlife · Mar 7, 2011

I saw a quote on yahoo about an artical pertaining to jobs, and it said college is not an investment its a gamble, I tend to agree with that statement and you could even take it a step further and call life a gamble (unless your born with a silver spoon). I also just watched a show called capitalism by michael moore and I tend to agree with 99% of what was in that film, all my gambles have paid off but I always knew I was walking the edge of a shale cliff of debt that my forefathers did not have to deal with. Just watch capitalism by michael moore and that will do better than any wording I can do on a forum.

I do agree there are people that dont want to learn or do anything academically challenging but even for thoes that do they are up against the wall. At no other time in the last 100 years or so have college prices been so high, wages so low and the cost of goods and services greatly exceeding wages. Minimum wage is suppose to be just that the minimum needed to meet some 1st world minimum standard of living (which is not mud huts). Of course that standard is never defined so the term minimum wage does not really mean anything.

In the movie capitalism it lays out rosevelts new bill of rights which is a really good idea but he died and nothing ever became of it. Minimum wage should buy a decent place to live, a decent reliable used vehical and maybe a little extras like going to see a movie or something and a decent retirement. Minimum wage certianly does not provide that, so are we to become a bannana republic where you have the rich elite and the poor surfs (after all we should just be happy to have AC even though it was invented like 100 years ago).

If you want to own a 2000 sq foot place with a 2 car garage and an escalade then you better bring something more than min wage skills to the table but thats a separate issue.

liars_paradox · Mar 13, 2011

heron said:
Time has passed -- I hope it's going well.

Things could be worse, but thanks. Right now, I'm not making as much as I'm spending with problems relating to my car, on food, and gas. On top of that, my relatives have bed bugs in their townhouse, so the whole ordeal is kind of annoying. Plus, I don't seem to like this neighborhood that they live in too much.

It kind of sucks, my parents used to feed my cousins whenever they stayed over at our house, but not here so much with me. That's people from my dad's side of the family for you, though.

liars_paradox · May 13, 2011

I wanted to point something out here in regards to the comment on this thread that college is a "gamble". In spite of what's happening to me, with the loss of my job after only two months and tens of thousands debt, I still don't think that college is a gamble.

It might be "elitist" for me to say this, but college does give you an opportunity to broaden your experiences in life and to learn things that you would've never known before. The little documentaries that you see on the Discovery channel or the History channel really don't go into the kinds of detail that you might get into with the general ed. courses that you might be required to take in college.

However, college is expensive and getting a job that can help a person pay off their student loans would be the ultimate goal for anyone from a middle class family who's going into college.

After what's happened to me, I don't know what I will do. I haven't had an easy time getting a job, and I worry that this time around will be worse. Prayers for me would be appreciated but no one has to.

Based on the responses that I got on this thread, the way my relatives have been acting with me when I was staying with them, and with the way that some people have acted in person, I realize that there are many people out there who do get resentful of people who do go to college. For those who have had parents that didn't help them like my have, it seems unfair to them. But, my life is far from perfect and things aren't as good as I would like for them to be. I don't think that anyone should ever be envious of me or ever accuse me of having things handed down to me, but there are those who would actually do this - even my own family.

liars_paradox · Dec 15, 2011

TigerKanga said:
If someone else is willing to pay your bills why would you want to work at McDonalds? If someone paid all my bills I'd be holding out for a management position.

Dude, I really hate your post. You never addressed the issues that I brought up about how working a part-time job isn't feasible for me. How I can't pay to live on my own if I did.

But, I try to be understanding, because I do have parents that help me, and you don't.

But, don't be hateful and envy people who's parents help them. What my parents do with their money is their business. I told my brother that when he commented on some rich kid in college one time.

What someone does with their money is their business. So what if your parents don't help you out at all? It doesn't mean that you say evil things to someone whose parents do.

Even though I currently have a job and I am thankful for it, and I thank God for the experiences that I have been having lately, because they remind me that I have parents who help me, whereas there are those whose parents don't.

I still am deeply offended by your post. Very much so. And, it's been bothering ever since I first read it.

You really don't know what I was going through at the time, even though I talked about it on this thread, you didn't seem to understand or care.

I really hope that God opens up your heart and teaches you how you were wrong to say this.

If all I could get was a part-time job, then you have no idea how terrible that would be for me. My own hard work, along with my parents' would all be wasted!

And, I mentioned this, yet you never acknowledged it. NOT ONCE!

You remind me of my cousins. Who are actually cool, but have revealed similar sentiment to yours'. But, I just wanted to say that it's not my fault that your parents are like that.

Why don't you break the cycle and help your kids go through college? Instead of attacking hard-working people like me? If you valued the kind of effort that people put into building their futures or the futures of their kids, then you wouldn't make such evil comments.

But, your parents didn't work to build your future. So, you don't have any idea whats that like. So, I'm trying to forgive you. I just wished that you understood, however. And, that you weren't so jealous and spiteful.

liars_paradox · Dec 15, 2011

BlueLightningTN said:
You start by going to McDonald's and getting a job. Then, once you aren't depending on somebody else to pay for everything your adult butt needs, you start trying to find a job in your field.

BL

You too. Your comment was also deeply offensive. But, I pray that God opens your heart too. And, I hope that God helps you and TigerKanga find happiness and that He helps you two become righteous people, and to have success in your lives.

Like I am with TigerKanga, I'm sorry that your parents didn't help you. Very much so. I understand that many peoples' parents don't help them go through college, and that, for them, it doesn't seem like that they have any reason to be ambitious.

Your comments and TigerKanga's comments still bother me. And, partly because there are so many people who are like you. You actually hate people who get help from their parents, and envy them.

I got such a similar feeling from my cousins while I was in Virginia. I have to say, that I don't like to get this kind sentiment from other people, because it seems unwarranted to me. Like, you're not even acknowledging the sacrifices that I and my parents have had to make in order for me to even get to this point.

You don't even acknowledge how disgraceful it is for me to just settle for a part-time job, because you can only think about your situation.

This is why I said that I hope that God opens your heart helps you to understand my situation at the time I made this thread.

Amen.

Musician4Jesus · Dec 16, 2011

Not to be cynical but sometines you can try until you're blue in the face to find work, and still hit brick walls, get no leads etc. You can do everything you're supposed to....fill out and submit apps, go to interviews, follow up, submit resumes, network, go to job fairs/ employment and/or temp agencies and you still hit brick walls.

College is really subjective to me...it depends on what career field you want to enter, as well as your background....you could've been taught various skills for the duration of your childhood, as well as basic skills as how to apply it for work....and there you have your qualifications and exp covered. Alternatively, you could've been hired into family trade/business for years...which makes transition to another job easier and more likely provided it's in same career field.

College education or not, the economy is horrible, and the stupid government and past two presidents have made it worse. Due to them not being able to budget, nation is in debt and we're getting screwed...not blaming anybody it's the reality of things.

Regarding the having a job to get one, yeah it's a catch-22. You can't get job exp without getting a job, but unfortunately employers are reluctant to hire somebody with no real-world job exp. Hiring somebody that requires training eats up their resources...time, money, etc...time and money they don't have to 'waste' by hiring somebody with exp. and qualifications, and that they can use to do other things to improve their workplace/business

Boidae · Dec 16, 2011

I am back in this boat myself now. I am also limited in the jobs that I can do because of my hand.

My skills are in the physical labor field, such as warehousing where I need to lift up to 75 pounds or more constantly. Problem is that with my hand being as it is, I can no longer do that. I also have EMT skills, but again I need to be able to lift patients and have dexterity, but I no longer have either with my left hand.

Went through two surgeries and neither worked to correct my tendon issues. More than likely because the corrective surgery was more than a year later, the surgical correction always had a chance not to work. The correction is there, but my hand isn't working as it should.

I have now applied to Pizza places as a delivery driver, restaurants as a host, the library as a page and fast food places like McDonald's. No go on any of them.

Mean while as you know, the bills keep coming and child support doesn't care. My ex-girlfriend understands that I will be unable to pay child support in a couple months when the money I saved up for it is gone, but the State of NY doesn't care. I know that she won't push the issue, but the state might.

It doesn't help that I have a 5 1/2 year time period where I wasn't working because I was a stay-at-home father and now a recent termination from Americorps 2 weeks before my term ended. I was let go because I was unable to fulfill the hours that they wanted me to work because of my surgery and still recovering. I was to remain on light duty, but they didn't have light duty for me at the State Park to do except once or twice a month when it came to do reports.

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