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My comment was tongue in cheek.Abortions will never make sense and cannot be morally justified.
That is not true at all. You cannot "choose" to break the law. Therefore, if states made laws against abortion, legally you would not have a right to choose abortion. Some people argue that people are free to do whatever they choose with their own bodies. This is also not true because of seat belt laws and drug laws. The new talking point that is being thrown around a lot lately is "bodily autonomy". The problem with this argument, and really the root of the abortion controversy, is whether or not a woman's bodily autonomy overrides the bodily autonomy of the unborn. The pro-life movement has never been about controlling women and their bodies. Instead, it is about protecting the innocent and defenseless life in the womb. Thus, the pro-life movement believes that your "rights" over your body ends when it affects the body of another, the unborn."Perhaps... if the constitution actually gave people a right to have an abortion. Which it does not."
The 'freedom of choice is a fundamental right' in your legislation. That means people have a choice to have an abortion and therefore legally have a right to have an abortion (although morally wrong).
The real questions we as Christians must ask ourselves are how much does the life of the unborn mean to you and how much doe the life of the unborn mean to God. Killing Jews in concentration camps were done "legally" by the Nazi regimes. What you are suggesting is no different than passively doing nothing to stop the slaughter of Jews because "legally it isn't murder."Americans must understand, that in order to charge the abortion laws you will have to change the freedom of choice part in the law and redefine what murder means.
Murder is currently the crime of unlawfully killing 'a person' especially with malice. (That's wikipedia's definition) If someone has the constitution definition I'm all ears.
So you'd have to change the definition of what murder means or when a human becomes a human. Even though, we all know that a baby is a baby moving around, a life inside one's womb.
Then you'd need to criminalize abortion where teen women who abort will be incarcerated, and if they are in a state that has the death penalty, well then, teen woman gets murdered by the state.
Then you'll all be advocating social justice for the teen women or the 12 year olds or people who are forced to have the child and then its mother is in jail or murdered by the state.
So the debate will never end.
According to your laws, abortion is not defined as murder. If it were, they'd criminalize women who try to have abortions.
Biblically, murder is defined as the taking of human life without cause or authority to do so. God is the only giver of life, therefore, God is the only one with the authority to take life or bestow that authority to others. Thus, it is impossible for God to murder and He is completely able to take any life for any reason or no reason at all.Interesting debate. Spontaneous abortions. The ones that don't make it. The miscarriages.
Did God murder the child because he let it happen? Or is it just the laws of nature?
This wouldn't be defined as murder as the human legal definition of murder is human to human and intended malice.
This is such a basic concept that it baffles me as to why Christians disregard this truth.Therefore - abortion should be illegal.
It is illegal for a mother to kill her newborn infant in the hospital. It should be equally illegal for the mother to kill her unborn child. The fact that the child resides in the womb shouldn't impact whether or not we protect its right to life.
However, you have been on the record in other threads using the "suffering" that a child would endure in foster care to justify abortion.I said absolutely nothing in the post you quoted about babies being better dead than in foster homes.
The real questions we as Christians must ask ourselves are how much does the life of the unborn mean to you and how much doe the life of the unborn mean to God. Killing Jews in concentration camps were done "legally" by the Nazi regimes. What you are suggesting is no different than passively doing nothing to stop the slaughter of Jews because "legally it isn't murder."
And as Christians, we have the right and the moral obligation to do everything possible to prevent abortions and support legislation and legislators who seek this end.I understand the argument murder is murder. People still have a right to choose to do the right thing and not murder.
However, you have been on the record in other threads using the "suffering" that a child would endure in foster care to justify abortion.
I absolutely agree. More needs to be done to help pregnant mothers, especially rape victims, care for their child or help them find loving homes. If I was president for a day, I would implement comprehensive reforms on the adoption systems to put children of rape at the top of the priority lists for adoptions. I would also provide incentives (monetarily or otherwise) for couples to adopt children of rape. Which is why I have repeatedly argued that "pro-choice" Christians should focus more of their efforts encouraging women to choose adoption over abortion regardless of the circumstances.I have spent more time emphasizing the need to help pregnant and new moms who do not want children. Possible suffering in foster care is less likely if the same couple chooses to adopt the kid.
And as Christians, we have the right and the moral obligation to do everything possible to prevent abortions and support legislation and legislators who seek this end.
Unless the big problem is that the mother is about to die, aborting the child is immoral.But what if there is a big problem with the fact that she must be pregnant for nine months?
So should we make it legal to murder since we shouldn’t legislate morality? Should we make it legal to steal since people are going to do it anyway?I understand the argument murder is murder. People still have a right to choose to do the right thing and not murder.
Unless the big problem is that the mother is about to die, aborting the child is immoral.
So should we make it legal to murder since we shouldn’t legislate morality? Should we make it legal to steal since people are going to do it anyway?
Reread my post.Nobody has a moral obligation to eliminate abortions. It can't be done. All it takes is one gynecologist and obstetrician who knows how to remove embryos and fetuses from women's bodies.
And as Christians, we have the right and the moral obligation to do everything possible to prevent abortions and support legislation and legislators who seek this end.
I absolutely agree. More needs to be done to help pregnant mothers, especially rape victims, care for their child or help them find loving homes. If I was president for a day, I would implement comprehensive reforms on the adoption systems to put children of rape at the top of the priority lists for adoptions. I would also provide incentives (monetarily or otherwise) for couples to adopt children of rape. Which is why I have repeatedly argued that "pro-choice" Christians should focus more of their efforts encouraging women to choose adoption over abortion regardless of the circumstances.
Rape victims are not required to travel to an adoption center. All it takes is a phone call and the adoption center will accommodate the mother by making a home visit.How would you make sure rape victims have easy access to adoption centers and the ability to use them?
If it is only about the woman not wanting to raise a child it is about lacking education and help resources. How many of these women know what they could do instead and just do not want to be pregnant for nine months?
There you go again. You think women are total imbeciles. You have a very very low view of women's intelligence. I don't share this view.
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