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How did the ark Kinds give rise to extant taxa?

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But the day will come for you when the question will be asked of you: "What did you do with the gospel information that was given and explained to you by the many Christian believers with whom you debated?"

If God is the one asking the question, I'd respond that they needed better salespeople.
 
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True. But nothing randomly mutates and there are no experimental limbs, eyes, organs, bones or body parts as evolutionists fail to admit.
DNA randomly mutates (albeit with some control over repairs).

There are no experimental traits because evolution is not teleological, it's not an experiment.
 
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If God is the one asking the question, I'd respond that they needed better salespeople.
Jesus never said to "sell" the gospel. His view was that His followers told people about the gospel and to let them decide whether they believe it or not. Selling the gospel like an Amway salesperson is man's idea not God's. Selling something through persuasive selling techniques means that the person can be "sold" out of it again.
 
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So are you retracting your comment that "unbelievers decide to be so"?
No. Not at all. God never forces or manipulates anyone into anything. He just enlightens the person concerning the truth of the gospel and it is up the the individual to believe it or reject it. But without that enlightenment, an unbeliever cannot believe in the way he needs to believe to be able to make a firm commitment to it. Otherwise it is a limited intellectual belief, and not a true belief of the heart.
 
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DNA randomly mutates (albeit with some control over repairs).

There are no experimental traits because evolution is not teleological, it's not an experiment.
It is a theory, based on speculation and guesswork.
 
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It is a theory, based on speculation and guesswork.
A scientific theory is "... an explanation that has been tested and widely accepted as valid" (Wikipedia). The ToE has been extensively tested for 160 years, and is more robust and better understood than ever.

It's based on multiple independent lines of evidence, including genetics, comparative anatomy, developmental biology, paleontology, biogeography, selection & breeding experiments, and more.

From each of these, one can infer evolution with common descent. Taken together, they are unequivocal.
 
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The words used in the conclusions of those experiments and lines of evidence are: "probable", "could have", "might have", etc. It is widely accepted that there is not enough conclusive evidence to make evolution an absolute scientific law.

But then, that is a topic for another thread.
 
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It is widely accepted that there is not enough conclusive evidence to make evolution an absolute scientific law.

That's... not how that works. That's not how any of that works.
 
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The words used in the conclusions of those experiments and lines of evidence are: "probable", "could have", "might have", etc.
Scientific evidence is always qualified, often by statistical confidence levels. Theories are open to refinement, falsification, or replacement; there are no certainties or proofs outside formal logical systems (although in the case of evolution there's too much evidence from unrelated fields to have any reasonable doubt about the theory as a whole).

It is widely accepted that there is not enough conclusive evidence to make evolution an absolute scientific law. But then, that is a topic for another thread.
There is a difference between a scientific theory and a scientific law. That link should clarify the concepts for you.

However, there are various laws involved in evolution, one of which which is basically the principle underlying evolution - the same principle that is used in commercial evolutionary algorithms; if you repeatedly select for some criteria from a population of entities that reproduce with heritable variation, they will, over many generations, tend towards satisfying those criteria. Another is the Hardy-Weinberg Law (or principle) that describes the genetic equilibrium within an ideal randomly mating population; there is also the law or principle that reproductively isolated populations of a species will tend to diverge over time, and so-on.
 
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Each animal was handpicked by God, not Noah.
Evidence?
So if God desired quick speciation, he could plan it without blinking.
So no actual evidence of any sort, just story-telling.

Got it.

Of course, if that is so, why didn't God plan to make wicked people good without having to slaughter millions?
 
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So no mechanisms for post-flood hyperevolution, thanks.
 
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So, no proposed mechanism for allele preservation/extinction, rapid macroevolution, etc.

That is all you had to say.
 
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Most people are hard pressed finding any characteristic forms that are "half-formed".
That is because the notion of "half-formed" anything is naive bunk put forth by creationists.
No, I think that was foxes, being bred for fur farming.

But thanks for arguing against creatinist claims that speciation takes too long!
That is not miraculous.

Just because you cannot understand something does not mean it is magic.
 
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