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If God have grace they are surely with Him. Do you throw away all the Bible except for the red ink? It is not all the Word of Christ? Is He not the Word incarnate? Are we to farsake His Father's (and indeed His own) commands?Rocinante said:If they abide by the Law of Love that Jesus gave us--they are surely with him.
Do you throw away all the Bible except for the red ink? It is not all the Word of Christ? Is He not the Word incarnate? Are we to farsake His Father's (and indeed His own) commands?
But all other sin is okay for me to speak against.Rocinante said:Puriteen said:
Roz sez:
One way to work toward that goal might be to stop slandering homosexuals in monogamous, committed relationships who await the blessing of marriage and live Godly lives by God's precious grace.
So you deny all old testament law?Rocinante said:Puriteen said:
Roz sez:
Yes, and Jesus never said a word about homosexuality.
And as this thread has amply and repeatedly shown......the Bible does not condemn a committed and monogamous homosexual relationship waiting for the blessing of marriage.
sweetkitty said:Homosexuals are committing sins whether they have many partners or one. God did not ever make the distinction that if homosexuals were in love that excused them.
So to speak against sin is a sin in itself?Rocinante said:You are welcome to hold that opinion, but to speak that slander is wrong.
There is no slander here.Rocinante said:Roz sez:
You are welcome to hold that opinion, but to speak that slander is wrong.
The Bible simply does not condemn a committed, monogamous homosexual relationship waiting for the blessing of marriage.
That has been shown quite clearly earlier on the thread. Perhaps you should read back and catch up with the conversation.
puriteen18 said:But all other sin is okay for me to speak against.
Look, I already told you I do not speak to homosexuals only. Those who concern me more are the goody-church people who think that they are okay just by themselves without God.
And I told you that I have friends who are gay and bisexual. Do you really think that they could even stand being around me if they thought I hated them, or if I was always being a jerk to them?
If the Bible does not condemn it; if your Greek sholarship is true, then why has it been the practice of the Chruch to speak against it for 2,000 years?Rocinante said:The Bible simply does not condemn a committed, monogamous homosexual relationship waiting for the blessing of marriage.
That has been shown quite clearly earlier on the thread. Perhaps you should read back and catch up with the conversation.
Again there has been no slander committed and certainly there has been no evidence of hate in this thread.Rocinante said:Roz sez:
Other sin? Of course it is ok to speak out against sin. Just make sure it's actually sin before you take the risk of slandering innocent people.
You don't seem like a hateful person to me, but you do the work of the haters when you slander without Biblical justification.
The Bible certainly does comdemn homosexuality to the point that it calls it an abomination.
With what the Bible says of it, I had rather risk that I should sin against them and be punished then to allow them to continue in their practice and have their blood upon my hands.Rocinante said:Roz sez:
Other sin? Of course it is ok to speak out against sin. Just make sure it's actually sin before you take the risk of slandering innocent people.
I'm not, actually quite shy and quiet most of the time. In fact, many times accused of being gay by the jocky-type guys.Rocinante said:You don't seem like a hateful person to me, but you do the work of the haters when you slander without Biblical justification.
If the Bible does not condemn it; if your Greek sholarship is true, then why has it been the practice of the Chruch to speak against it for 2,000 years?
No, sorry it is you that are mistaken. Those passages are misinterperted only by those trying to pass off this new pro-gay theology.Rocinante said:Kitty said:
Roz sez:
Wrong. The Bible calls sex with a male temple prostitute an abomination.
The Leviticus passages are often misinterpreted. We can go into them when we get past the NT questions that are still coming.
So the correct interpretations would beRocinante said:Kitty said:
Roz sez:
Wrong. The Bible calls sex with a male temple prostitute an abomination.
The Leviticus passages are often misinterpreted. We can go into them when we get past the NT questions that are still coming.
I do not do the work of haters. When men have made fun of my friend and said that what he did was wrong (even though they could do whatever with the girlfriends) I took up for my friend.
Most historians would disagree. Homosexual monogomy was a cultural taboo in ancient Rome. The most public homosexual "lifestyle" would have been the paederasts and their catamites, and Pagan temple worship. Men did engage in homosexual sex, but they would have also been married to a woman. Homosexual monogomists were shunned by society.puriteen18 said:History is very important. Do you not know that the homosexual life was very common amoung the Greeks and Romans.
Indeed. Any person who reads the text, looks at it objectively, examines the context, and reaches a conclusion differing from your own needs their heart examined.puriteen18 said:Anyone who sees not what the Bible plainly teaches, but tries in every possible way to explain it to nothing needs to examine their own heart.
I don't owe my heart to the KJV. I take English translations with a grain of salt. Any translator will tell you that something is always lost in translation, whether it be flair of language, historical context, or the entire message.puriteen18 said:dear keithylishus, consider this verse.
I Corithians 6.9
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Will you too claim that it is just a bad translation?
Calling something slander over and over does not make it so,RozRocinante said:Roz sez:
It is good you take up for your friend. But why now call ALL homosexuals sinners? That is slander.......which is not a friendly thing to do.
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