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How can we cease to be sinful in heaven?

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Obviously, man is sinful. My question is an unanswerable one, but I like to ask theological questions that make one's head twist and turn.

We don't know exactly why God created man, but He did. When God created man, man was pure. Then, according to the Bible, man was corrupted by Satan and had suddenly become inherently sinful.

If your a Christian that believes most of Genesis is metaphorical, than I will say that man was always sinful from our inception.

If we are inherently sinful, and we want to give into the temptations of Satan, then what are we going to be when our souls go to heaven? The idea of men born into sin is one of the central ideologies of Christianity. If man is inherently sinful, then how can we NOT be sinful in heaven?

Many will say that when we die and go to heaven we are no longer man, but we become spirits. God created man in Genesis, he did not create spirits.
 

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We can and will be perfect in heaven because it is a perfect realm, while this one is manifestly not. By "perfect" here is meant entire, whole, unmixed or pure, and so our world of earth is definitely not a perfect world, as it allows for a mixture of both good and evil, unlike the worlds of heaven and hell, where one is perfectly good and the other perfectly evil. This is a concept which is far easier for one to accept than it is to understand, as our race knows next to nothing about true and entire perfection, as we live in a world which disallows for true perfection, and it has always been so in the nature of our race since the fall of Adam.

The true, born again believer in Christ is currently in the possession of the Holy Spirit sent from Christ and that divine nature is properly perfect, as nothing else could ever come from a perfect Being such as He. However, this divine nature in a believer is contested in this world by a number of antagonistic elements, since it is still a world which allows for the presence of both good and evil. In heaven though that won't be a problem, as the perfect divine nature of God will then and there be entirely uncontested, as heaven is a truly perfect realm which does not allow for the admixture of evil in any way or at any time. You will then have the same, identical Holy Spirit of God that is in you now, only that divine nature will then have a flawlessly and continually perfect government over your celestial being, unlike our current imperfect status of unending occasions of defiance set against the divine nature in us, from everything to our ailing, faulty and perishing bodies constantly interrupting our service to God, to the restless temptations that daily assault us from both our near associates, the world and the tireless wiles of Satan.

Perfection in either physical or moral good is impossible in this life, (Christ's moral perfection being the sole exception,) while perfection is guaranteed in both the worlds of hell and heaven, only at opposite ends of morality or virtue. Since hell is a perfect or unmixed realm, it will encompass absolute and unexceptioned totality of evil, as there will be no good or virtuous influence there to ever counteract that evil or it wouldn't be a perfectly evil realm in the first place. Heaven is thankfully and blissfully the exact opposite, where evil has no place in their experience what-so-ever, and so the divine nature which is now contested in a believer on earth, will be totally or perfectly uncontested there, and so they cannot sin as they no longer have either the occasion or the capacity to sin in heaven. The saints in heaven, (for this reason,) are infallibly secure in their joyfully righteous state, while the damned are mournfully just as secure in their awful state of condemnation, a matter for endless "weeping and gnashing of teeth" as Christ solemnly forewarned us.

When the saint who currently believes in and loves the Lord Jesus, see's him standing in all his glory in heaven, he or she knows now that "...when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is." I John 3:2b, and so accordingly pursues a preparatory walk of holiness here in this life, as "...everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure." I John 3:3. That work of progressive holiness is only begun here and perfected there, and that is the reason why we will be sinless in heaven: We must be because He is and always will be, and our experience will be drawn from him then as now, only uncontested then and in that place. Christ will always be infinitely perfect and we will be finitely perfect, but both are still perfect relative to the capacity of their beings. If the Savior could ever become imperfect in heaven, then the saint abiding there could also fall from their flawless integrity, and that is something which will never, ever be, as God cannot cease to be.
 
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Obviously, man is sinful. My question is an unanswerable one, but I like to ask theological questions that make one's head twist and turn...
You want your head to spin???

Then, according to the Bible, man was corrupted by Satan and had suddenly become inherently sinful.....I will say that man was always sinful from our inception.
I agree that we were inherently sinful from the beginning because we had sinful flesh from the beginning. It/'sinful flesh' only manifested for the first time at the 'tree of good and evil'. And it/sinful flesh did so, contextually, the very first time it was tempted.

ROM 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

According to the verse above Jesus also came in that same sinful nature...flesh...that we were born with/in. But Jesus led his body about as a slave and never yielded to temptation.


If we are inherently sinful, and we want to give into the temptations of Satan, then what are we going to be when our souls go to heaven?
We will be regenerated spirits living in glorifed bodies and motivated by completely sanctified souls. The sin nature isn't in the soul...it is in the unglorified flesh/body.

If man is inherently sinful, then how can we NOT be sinful in heaven?
Because your sinful flesh will not go to heaven, you will receive an eternal glorifed body to replace the temporal sinful flesh body of this world. This sinful flesh will return to the dust from which it came.

Many will say that when we die and go to heaven we are no longer man, but we become spirits. God created man in Genesis, he did not create spirits.
He made you in His image in the garden and He was and always is SPIRIT.

JOH 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
HEB 12:9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?
NUM 16:22 And they fell on their faces, and said, "O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh,

You/spirit were born of His Spirit and He put that spirit in a sinful flesh body. And when the spirit animated that tent of clay which it lived in...the brain became functional. The soul (mind will emotion) is simply the brain at work. Adam's soul was initially led by his spirit and not by his sinful flesh/body...just like Jesus. But then Adam was tempted and sinned and from that point on he was a 'dying soul' and not a "living soul".

You are a spirit, you have a soul, and you live in a body. All three need changes to fulfill complete salvation and overcome sin....and the last enemy death.

1TH 5:23 May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless...


How's your head doing so far?
 
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If man is inherently sinful, then how can we NOT be sinful in heaven?

We will be changed forever prior to entering heaven. If you believe Scripture, then you know nothing unclean can enter heaven. That means not a single blemish or stain of sin. The Church will be presented spotless, as Scripture says. Any sinful tendency or blemish will be permanently removed, and we will be transformed, fixed into a position of love with God forever.
 
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First when we die we do not go to heaven. After we die we reign with Christ 1000 years. The God creates for us a New Earth and a New Heaven.
Rev 21:1-4
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away."
NASU
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']God created man to worship and glorify Him forever. Genesis is not metaphorical but literal. The events happen just as written. Paul even affirmed the authenticity of Genesis when He said 2 Cor 11:3[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']3 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']NASU[/FONT]
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Obviously, man is sinful. My question is an unanswerable one, but I like to ask theological questions that make one's head twist and turn.

We don't know exactly why God created man, but He did.
## For Christ ?
## D'you mean man was created evil ?
If we are inherently sinful,
## We aren't. Man is inherently good, having been created good by a good God; but man is infected with the dis-ease of sin, as a result of being "in Adam" when Adam sinned. Man is a good thing gone wrong.
and we want to give into the temptations of Satan,
## Human sin is always attraction to something under the appearance of good. No one seeks evil for the sake of evil - that's impossible, because such a person would seeking evil as his good. Undiluted evil has no existence as a thing in itself - it is always a quality, a property of a thing that exists in itself. Pure evil independent of good is impossible, just as a "having whiskers" or a "being black" independently of a cat is impossible - the cat may have both qualities; but that's the point - they are qualities inhering in beings that existence in themselves; the qualities need something to be properties of: they have no independent existence, other than abstractions.

What we want, are things we perceive, however wrongly, as good. As Cardinal Newman noted, man cannot act without a reason; no matter what he does, he has to have some reason for it. IOW, he has act rationally or try to persuade himself that he is acting rationally - and reason is a very great good. It is right for us to act "because of" something. Even if that something is morally horrendous. Evil always has to be disguised as good - nobody would sin otherwise.

then what are we going to be when our souls go to heaven? The idea of men born into sin is one of the central ideologies of Christianity. If man is inherently sinful, then how can we NOT be sinful in heaven?
## We shall be confirmed in grace We will want what God wants, and there will be nothing in in us - since the life of Heaven is not earthly, but eternal - to dispose us to sin. We will freely want what we are created to want, and so often do not. We shall be, not less human than we are now, but far more human. Because we shall be renewed according to the likeness of Christ Himself. And after the Resurrection, we shall be re-embodied; man is not a spirit, but a unity of body and spirit.
Many will say that when we die and go to heaven we are no longer man, but we become spirits. God created man in Genesis, he did not create spirits.
 
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If man is inherently sinful, then how can we NOT be sinful in heaven?

Many will say that when we die and go to heaven we are no longer man, but we become spirits. God created man in Genesis, he did not create spirits.
Because we won't be human when we go to heaven. And no, we will not always be disembodied spirits.

When the resurrection happens, our bodies will be changed into spiritual bodies and our spirits will inhabit the spiritual bodies.
 
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I do not believe that our souls immediately "enter" heaven. I believe heaven is simply to be in God's presence, and that after death our souls are still tainted with sin hence we must be purged of them, rid of anything sinful. As we become rid of sin, our souls are fully revealed to the beatific vision of God, and once the soul is revealed to the beatific vision he has "entered" heaven.

It is by grace that we will completely overcome sin and by which we will desire nothing but wanting to connect with God for eternity.
 
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When we die, our soul/spirit ascends up to heaven immediately in the presence of God.

2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore [we are] always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Our sinful bodies is in the grave returns to dust until the rapture happens.

Our new resurrected soul is not tainted with sin at all. It cannot sin because we are born of God, yes we still sin but we sin in our bodies not of the new resurrected soul. And no there is no purging of sins, that sounds like a purgatory doctrine which is not biblical and defeats the purpose of Christ laying down his life for his elect.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God
 
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If we are inherently sinful, and we want to give into the temptations of Satan, then what are we going to be when our souls go to heaven?


Sin was born with a thought.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:


So how can we prevent a thought?

The most intelligent answer that I know is:

I do not know.
 
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