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How can science "explain" miracles?

Incariol

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihito#Ichthyological_research

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins#Evolutionary_biology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#Scientific_achievements

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_curie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocrates#Direct_contributions_to_medicine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaxagoras

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Yunus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imhotep

Well, disproving that claim was easy.
 
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I think hes saying non-christians don't equate God in anything. They may be wrong about what they "find out then". Example being the never ending debate about issues like how the universe started or dating fossiles...etc.

A christian will tell they know what started and when the universe started. Athiest will give you varied answers as the years go on because they "guess". The sometime have instruments that they assume are correct. Science is about thoerizing and guessin. Its not always right. I love to say that how right can science be who it changes it mind constantly? 1,000 years ago science assumed the world was flat.

Currently science has all kinds of "theories" about space. And yet in another 200 years most of those theories will change a bit as always. Thats always been my problem with science. How can you something is true when you have no proof of it? Of course this is where you counter and say... "The same goes about you God!". If your into science you will tell me God does not exist because theres no proof.

But then I counter back and say "So your telling me scientists have literally seen every inch of space somehow and can say theres no God?!?" If the universe is expanding then we will never see the end of it. SO therefor you cannot say there is no God, because you would have to check EVERYWHERE in space to make such a statement.

Just saying...
 
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Currently science has all kinds of "theories" about space. And yet in another 200 years most of those theories will change a bit as always. Thats always been my problem with science. How can you something is true when you have no proof of it?

We have "evidence" in science, not "proof". You have never "proved" something through experimentation, only supported it. It is always open to being disproven at a later point.

Of course this is where you counter and say... "The same goes about you God!". If your into science you will tell me God does not exist because theres no proof.

No. That's silly. Why would you think that?


Good thing (most) scientists aren't stupid enough to commit that fallacy.
 
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My question is I hear about miracles every day, but it seems the non believers ignore them or makr make excuses on how the "miracle" happened. So how can they say miracles aren't real?

It doesn't really matter to me. "Miracle", just like "magic", "supernatural" etc, is not a positive claim. It just acts like one.

(In addition, there are plenty of stories which are false, blown out of proportion, and/or are rooted in outright fraud.)
 
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One would have to be foolish to take your counter-argument seriously. God is even not the right kind of entitiy to be seen in some "inch of space". By definition.
 
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That is why the great discoverys in Science come from Christians and men of God.

Do you want a list of non-religious and/or non-christian scientists? Or do you accept that the above quote is simply not true?

Here, a list of a few atheists and/or agnostics for you:

Thomas Edison: American inventor, one of the best inventors of all time. During his career Edison patented more than 1,000 inventions, including the electric light, the phonograph, and the motion-picture camera.

Francis Crick (1916–2004): English molecular biologist, physicist, and neuroscientist; noted for being one of the co-discoverers of the structure of the DNA molecule in 1953. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1962.

Stephen Hawking: arguably the world's pre-eminent scientist advocates atheism in The Grand Design.

Richard J. Roberts (1943–): British biochemist and molecular biologist. He won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1993 for the discovery of introns in eukaryotic DNA and the mechanism of gene-splicing.

Carl Sagan (1934–1996): American astronomer and astrochemist, a highly successful popularizer of astronomy, astrophysics, and other natural sciences, and pioneer of exobiology and promoter of the SETI. Although Sagan has been identified as an atheist according to some definitions,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology#cite_note-achenbach-104 he rejected the label, stating "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology#cite_note-achenbach-104 He was an agnostic who,[108] while maintaining that the idea of a creator of the universe was difficult to disprove,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology#cite_note-108 nevertheless disbelieved in God's existence, pending sufficient evidence.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology#cite_note-32

James D. Watson (1928–): 1962-Nobel-laureate and co-discover of the structure of DNA.

Steve Wozniak (1950–): co-founder of Apple Computer and inventor of the Apple I and Apple II.

And a few Muslims:

Abū ʿAbdallāh Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmīhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi#cite_note-3, earlier transliterated as Algoritmi or Algaurizin, (c. 780,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi#cite_note-Struik_93-5 – c. 850) was a Persianhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi#cite_note-toomer-0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi#cite_note-Hogendijk-1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi#cite_note-Oaks-2 mathematician, astronomer and geographer, a scholar in the House of Wisdom in Baghdad. In the twelfth century, Latin translations of his work on the Indian numerals, introduced the decimal positional number system to the Western world.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi#cite_note-Struik_93-5 His Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing presented the first systematic solution of linear and quadratic equations in Arabic. In Renaissance Europe, he was considered the original inventor of algebra, although we now know that his work is based on older Indian or Greek sources.


I could go on, and on, and on.
 
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Stephen Hawking: arguably the world's pre-eminent scientist advocates atheism in The Grand Design.
Just what has Hawking done? As far as I am concerned he has done nothing. If he did not have a Christian wife praying for him he may not even be alive because of whatever that disease is that he has. His only accomplishment is to promote the atheist agenda, what do I care about that?

Francis Crick

Crick? Come on get real. He stole the work from a women. Also he was lucky enough to be a lab assistant where he got to share in the credit. He is pretty much one scandal after another. Not the least of which was his views on eugenics,
 
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For God's sake, Jazer... Hawking is one of the most brilliant and accomplished physicists of the past century.
 
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For God's sake, Jazer... Hawking is one of the most brilliant and accomplished physicists of the past century.
Then show me what he has accomplished other than to promote the atheistic agenda. If science is so wonderful why is he still sick. Why has science not cured whatever disease it is he has? Is this an example of where your not suppose to read a book by it's cover? I got red flags going off all over the place and your saying ignore them ignore them. Now even he admits that he was wrong. Let's quit talking about the man and tell me what you think he has accomplished. What makes you think that he is so brilliant and accomplished?
 
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Wow. Just wow.
 
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Why don't you put your actions where your mouth is then? How about you stop using everything that was invented by a non-Christian? I have a suggestion, start with something basic, how about electricity and Arabic numbers?
 
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I apologize on the behalf of other Christians. We are not all like that, and I think Jazer's remarks are disgusting, and antithetical to the spirit of the Christian religion.

Oh thank you! I was starting to doubt that, Jazer has spoken like this here for days without a single Christian speaking up against him.
 
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One would have to be foolish to take your counter-argument seriously. God is even not the right kind of entitiy to be seen in some "inch of space". By definition.
Oh I know. I was kinda being sarcastic. lol. Science can't find someone who cannot be seen. Well, unless the scientist dies and sees him. But then at that point its to late.
 
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