How can one be Creationist without proven Creator?

TagliatelliMonster · Jan 30, 2019

KyleSpringer said:
What pops into existence with only a fraction of a fractions fraction of a chance to stabilize and it so happens, and then proceeds to a point at which life can be created, which is another impossibility?

How have you determined this to being an impossibility?

The entire universe, by chance, and life happened, by chance, and now I’m supposed to prove that that’s abnormal

Neither big bang theory nore evolution theory address ORIGINS.

Big bang theory is an explanation of the development/expansion of the universe. It starts at Planck time (the first instant of the universe - it already exists at that point). It offers no explanation, not even a loose idea, about what triggered the expansion.

Evolution explains the origins of biological diversity. Of species.
It does not address the origins of life itself.

KyleSpringer · Jan 30, 2019

joinfree said:
Human common reaction to a new thing is played in ``Ace Ventura When Nature Calls: There's someone on the wing... some... thing''

There are indeed wonderful things to discover, because Philosophy of Religion must be united with Physics: knowledge of a human is the knowledge, that has his God. If human knows, that his God is omnipresent or omnipotent, then the human must also say, that his God is existent. It means, from dogma of omnipotence (also from omnipresence) comes dogma of Existence: if I do not exist, then I am not in potential to do anything.

The 2019 Wikipedia with references to peer-review sources tells us, that there must be a perfect description of faith, look: ``In the context of religion, one can define faith as confidence or trust in a particular system of religious belief,[1] within which faith may equate to confidence based on some perceived degree of warrant,[2][3] in contrast to a definition of faith as being belief without evidence.[4]'' I suggest, that the perfect description of faith is: Faith is the Faithfullness to Knowledge. I perfectly know, that my God is not satan, not Zeus, but Jesus Christ: John 8:54-55. In the Holy Book are many verses about the crucial importance of mind: ``Love your God with all your mind and heart''.

An omniscient thing must know own existence, so, in Science there is knowledge of existence of Him. It is easy to be omniscient and omnipotent, if you would be omnipresent. Thus, there is omniscient thing out there.

I tell opponent, what I have the proof. Opponent tells, that there is no proof. Thus, I tell him to stop playing God. Indeed, every word of God is true. But why my word is wrong, but opponent's is true?! Because opponent is playing God! He uses God-speech: Genesis 3:5 ``and you will be like God, knowing''.

God of Love, being omnipresent, unites married couple in perfect love: ``in this world we just beginning to understand the miracle of living; maybe I was afraid before, but I am not afraid anymore'' (from Belinda Carlisle's song ``Heaven is the place on Earth'')

I reread. It makes sense now. If a God exists to someone, that god exists. Our God, came as the man Jesus of Nazareth, who is our Christ. He exists to us, so the opponent may not accept it, but cannot deny His existence, otherwise, they would be dismissing our human experience that declares His existence, simply because they do not know Him like we do.

Yes. Nowhere does it say something must be empirically proven in order to be. As there are things we will not understand on this side of heaven.

joinfree · Jan 31, 2019

KyleSpringer said:
I reread. It makes sense now.

Godman is way to Peace. To know Jesus is to get peace.
"Come to Me all, who are worried, and I give you the peace." (to my memory, Bible). Care to read my research about angels and Dark Matter?

Speedwell · Jan 31, 2019

KyleSpringer said:
I reread. It makes sense now. If a God exists to someone, that god exists. Our God, came as the man Jesus of Nazareth, who is our Christ. He exists to us, so the opponent may not accept it, but cannot deny His existence, otherwise, they would be dismissing our human experience that declares His existence, simply because they do not know Him like we do.

Yes. Nowhere does it say something must be empirically proven in order to be. As there are things we will not understand on this side of heaven.

Yes, of course, and nicely expressed. A problem emerges, however, when things that are believed are things which can be independently verified by others. Things like "No transitional fossils exist" or "Speciation has never been observed." Those things can be denied.

joinfree · Feb 1, 2019

xianghua said:
who said that we cant prove a creator? what about all this evidence?:

(image from https://microbeonline.com/bacterial...ortance-and-examples-of-flagellated-bacteria/)

or this one:

(image from Flagella and Cilia: Structure and Functions (With Diagram))

or this one:

(image from VCAC: Cellular Processes: ATP Synthase: Advanced Look: Synthesis)

or this:

(image from June Newsletter: Kinesin Motor Proteins and Neurodegeneration)

check also my signature link.

Truly, that is not chaos. But due to the Law of Growing Chaos, we need Perfect Creation at 7500 BC. Why that is evidence, but not a solid proof of Creator? Because the trolling recently became legitimate method of Science. But that is wrong method, because destroys any knowledge. But knowledge is indestructable. Thus, God is proven by 100 percent.

Due to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_sufficient_reason
the God must be proven already, otherwise it contradicts the Principle of Sufficient Reason.

Speedwell · Feb 1, 2019

joinfree said:
Truly, that is not chaos. But due to the Law of Growing Chaos, we need Perfect Creation at 7500 BC. Why that is evidence, but not a solid proof of Creator? Because the trolling recently became legitimate method of Science. But that is wrong method, because destroys any knowledge. But knowledge is indestructable. Thus, God is proven by 100 percent.

Due to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_sufficient_reason
the God must be proven already, otherwise it contradicts the Principle of Sufficient Reason.

What in the world is the "Law of Growing Chaos?"

joinfree · Feb 1, 2019

Speedwell said:
What in the world is the "Law of Growing Chaos?"

It is an obvious law: e.g., remove all police officers, and the streets will plunge into chaos.

Speedwell · Feb 1, 2019

joinfree said:
It is an obvious law: e.g., remove all police officers, and the streets will plunge into chaos.

So how does that require a creation in 7500 BC?

joinfree · Feb 1, 2019

Speedwell said:
So how does that require a creation in 7500 BC?

Chaos grows in time. Today we have some order. So, at 7500 BC was perfect order.

Speedwell · Feb 1, 2019

joinfree said:
Chaos grows in time. Today we have some order. So, at 7500 BC was perfect order.

How do you calculate the rate of decline? How do you know it was 7500 BC and not some other date?

frater_domus · Feb 4, 2019

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joinfree · Feb 6, 2019

Speedwell said:
How do you calculate the rate of decline? How do you know it was 7500 BC and not some other date?

All a scientist can say, that at the beginning of Universe was the same or higher level of order and design. How that can be produced from Nothing without the miracle of Creation?

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