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The post immediately followed one in which I responded to one of their posts. No mention was made of the OP. The reasonable conclusion is that it was directed to me. At best it was ambiguous and, as such, it cannot be accurately described as being "directed properly".The post was directed properly at the OP and not at you in any way.
Today at 11:49 AM#14
Where did I somehow claim that these giant space habitats will deal with sin? Just quote me that paragraph? What you say is true - but just sneering a human accomplishments is not the answer. I used to do it - and frankly - it's a bad witness.The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Where did I somehow claim that these giant space habitats will deal with sin?
Why are comets more diverse in ingredients? There are a whole slew of types of asteroid. Also, I love CHOMP! I hear you.@eclipsenow Three points, two serious, one lighthearted.
- Apologies for partially derailing your thread.
- In regard to the source of CHON, we might be better to consider comets rather than asteroids. The resource should be much richer, the problem would be the much higher delta-v.
- Since phosphorous is also an essential and is sometime included along with CHON, I can't help regretting that nitrogen wasn't called mitrogen, then we could gather CHOMP. A fitting acronym for something we would turn into meals!
What was your point in your quote then? How is it relevant?Where did I say that [you did] ?
Sure the original fleets of Starships going out to mine these rocks would be dependent on dried foods from back home. But there's CHON in those asteroids - Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen. That can be mined and with enough solar power or even fusion if we have it by then, they'll be able to grow all the food they need. In dirt, that they increasingly make themselves. And these crops will have the perfect, tailor made climate, water, etc and be vastly more productive than anything out on a farm here on earth.
THEN there's futuristic stuff like this - which we should get an answer on in a few years.
Have you heard of Ferming? Think of it as electric food that bypasses photosynthesis. Electricity splits water and feeds hydrogen to bacteria - with a few fertilisers. Here's George Monbiot eating a pancake made from the stuff. Lab-grown food is about to destroy farming – and save the planet | George Monbiot They claim it will scale up to grow protein cheaper than soybeans by 2025, and that it will cook all the proteins and fats and carbs we need, and even arrive in different flavours. They want to cook up an alternative kind of fish-finger with omega-3's, or something like a chicken nugget. It could replace livestock and wheat and corn farms. All that's required are much smaller gardens for fruit and veg and herbs and spices for flavour and texture woven into this factory stuff. It could be the biggest jump in human food since we invented farming 10,000 years ago! Solar Foods - Wikipedia
The Chinese are working on another route - a chemical way to cook up sugary starches used for both food and cardboard etc. In keeping with the "Ferming" above, I call this one "Starching".They sound like some gifts from Science Fiction. Worth keeping an eye on!
Here's a video of Ferming products.
If it can be mass produced in space and turned into yummy meat-pattie alternatives, or even just all the high protein pasta they need, imagine what it could do for world hunger here on earth?
Most long term plans include growing plants in space.
Few dogs or cats yet.
I'm imagining it will be career stuff for a long time, with mining corporations guaranteeing supply lines to major tech firms back here on Earth. But eventually - God willing - we could see Belters trading with Martians and Earth. And if they build an orbital ring, then access to space could become dirt cheap.It's all super cool and I hope it can get to the point of self sufficiency without abandoning the stability and security of the billions of people who will still be on the Earth.
(I also hope that space technology will be cheap and common place enough that I'll be able to afford to go there.)
It's all super cool and I hope it can get to the point of self sufficiency without abandoning the stability and security of the billions of people who will still be on the Earth.
(I also hope that space technology will be cheap and common place enough that I'll be able to afford to go there.)
I don't agree. I think it a waste.
Does that apply to all space technology, or just ordinary people wanting to experience it?I don't agree. I think it a waste.
Comets are largely composed of volatiles - i.e. CHON. While some asteroids have some volatiles I know of none that have the volume and diversity of comets. If you have evidence to the contrary I would be very keen to see it.Why are comets more diverse in ingredients? There are a whole slew of types of asteroid.
Fortunately technical progress has never been halted by the nay-sayers and stay-at-homes; only unnecessarily delayed.I don't agree. I think it a waste.
I think a better analogy would be saying there is plenty of work in Boston, why would anyone go out West to trap and trade with the natives.Isn't it dumb to spend money colonising space and Mars when there are problems here on Earth? To me this would be like Columbus era Europeans saying it was dumb to spend money colonising the Americas when there were enough problems back in Europe. Psyche alone has enough platinum and gold to fund itself for thousands of years, let alone the rare earth's we desperately need to be independent of the Chinese who supply about 80% of the rare earth markets. We need rare earth's for everything from our electronics to our energy systems.
I think not going out and starting to mine Psyche would be a waste. This O'Neill Cylinder is just looking at what happens several generations later. Psyche might start off as a few SpaceX Starships mining rocks in zero g. But just as some little gold fields in the western America's eventually turned into Silicon Valley and Hollywood - who knows what Psyche's little mine might turn into?
I think you've found the justification... the "worker" class in that structure, if it even gets built, will be at the total mercy of the owners.They're doing something similar in Saudi Arabia with the 'Line' so it remains to be seen how successful that is.
I can't personally imagine living in something like that willingly, even in a desert, far less in space with little chance of escape.
I'm with you! I'm an extrovert - I need people to make a fool of myself around and get my energy. (Bit of an attention seeker.)They're doing something similar in Saudi Arabia with the 'Line' so it remains to be seen how successful that is.
I can't personally imagine living in something like that willingly, even in a desert, far less in space with little chance of escape.
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