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Actually, her righteousness in Christ is so transparent that it makes YOU irritable and angry.
Her post didn't have anything to do with righteousness. It could be just summed up as "I am right because I say so, and that's why you are wrong!"
 
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Jesus probably spoke Aramaic, and as a fully human man who was raised Jewish, certainly understood the common usage of Hebrew words. In the Semitic languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, Babylonian, etc.) the word translated into Greek as "eunouchos" and English as "eunuch" referred to more than just the sexually mutilated.

Specifically, there were two groups of people referred to. One was the eunuch we know. The other was not. Matthew tries to honor this distinction in his Greek rendering of Jesus' words, because Jesus certainly aknowledged it.

The Jewish rabbis argued about the specifics. The Hebrew word they used is "saris." The rabbis have left us a clear description of both kinds of saris. The kind they called a "man-saris" (that is a man-made saris) is the sexually mutilated kind. The other kind they called a "sun-saris" The rabbis tell us that a sun-saris is, physically, fully capable of fathering children Some rabbis feel that there are ways to "cure" a sun-saris.

The descriptions of how to recognize a sun-saris sound suspiciously like gay stereotypes --effeminate mannerisms, delicate features, weak "cold fish" physicality in greetings (hugs, handshakes and their cultural equivalents), etc.

In non-Jewish Semitic writings the most common trait attributed to this type of "eunuch" is the sexual seduction of comely young men. There are even veiled hints of such seduction in the Biblical stories of two Old Testament "eunuchs": Potiphar (Genesis 37-39) and Ashpenaz (Daniel 1). The hints are so veiled that we hardly recognize their meaning, and the Bible certainly gives no hint that either Joseph or Daniel succumbed to that seduction.

In the New Testament, there is the story of the Ethiopian treasurer (Acts 8). He is described as a "eunuch," but he has just come back from worshipping in the Temple in Jerusalem. A eunuch would not be allowed to worship in the Temple (Deuteronomy 23:1).

But notice that the command in Deuteronomy does not ban "eunuchs," but specifically mentions the two types of sexual mutilation. In fact, this is the only verse in the entire Bible that refers to the male "member." (In other verses, the closest it comes in referring to fully functioning male members, when singling out qualified males, is to refer to the ability to urinate while standing up -- see 1 Sam 25:23-34, 1 Kings 14:10 and 1 Kings 16:11) It was that important to mark the distinction between eunuchs, who were excluded from the Tabernacle (and later the Temple) and "eunuchs" who were allowed to participate.
 
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That's just your interpretation. And as I have pointed out in another thread, the Bible never says anything against same-sex marriage.

The bible doesn't mention it, because the perverse were already condemned for homosexual behaviour--marriage is to the extreme. Those people were executed before it would get that far.

Not that I hold the Bible to be authoritative anyway.

Godless people say that a lot. Why would we expect homosexuals to care what the Word of God says? They clearly don't.
 
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Her post didn't have anything to do with righteousness. It could be just summed up as "I am right because I say so, and that's why you are wrong!"

Yes, it is in the authority of Jesus Christ that she speaks and His righteousness shines forth. One needn't mention it to present it.

She is right because she is speaking what God says--He is right.

{People who live outside of Christ get their tights in a knot when the truth is spoken, because they are forced to look at their sin. Then they get angry with the messenger, instead of themselves, refusing to experience godly sorrow, proper remorse which leads to repentance.

So typical.
 
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Those people were executed before it would get that far.

And that's a good thing?

Godless people say that a lot. Why would we expect homosexuals to care what the Word of God says? They clearly don't.
The Word of God incarnated in Jesus Christ. The Word became flesh, not text.

What godless secularism has deemed legal isn't what God sanctions.
Yet most of our laws are not based upon the Bible and I think that is a very good thing.

Do you really intend to follow all the laws in the Bible?

I challenge anyone to take up A.J Jacobs' task and live just one year and attempt to follow all the laws in the Bible.

Just start with no shellfish for starters

ETA: On second thought, it might be harder to avoid mixed fabric clothing..
 
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And that's a good thing?
the focus is on the sin, not the punishment. Things have become much more civilized thank goodness.
The Word of God incarnated in Jesus Christ. The Word became flesh, not text.
I'm sure she is aware of this. But how would you know that if you didn't read the text that it is written in?


Yet most of our laws are not based upon the Bible and I think that is a very good thing.
I disagree, most have biblical roots. Unless the forgiveness of debts after 7 years thing was a completely secular idea.


No one can follow all the laws, thats why we need a Savior. Some apply today and some no longer do. For ex. we don't have to sacrifice an animal for sin offerings. There are 3 different types of law in the OT, and even when broken down we still fail. But the beauty of it all is that when we do fail, we acknowledge our failure, repent, and are forgiven.
 
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And that's a good thing?
All of God's laws and punishments are good and just! Why?

The Word of God incarnated in Jesus Christ. The Word became flesh, not text.
God certainly ensured that we have His message to us in text as well...the written word is logos, and rhema.
Yet most of our laws are not based upon the Bible and I think that is a very good thing.
Yes they are...they are based on the Judeo-Christian ethic.
Do you really intend to follow all the laws in the Bible?

I follow after God and what He tells me in His word! Amen!

I challenge anyone to take up A.J Jacobs' task and live just one year and attempt to follow all the laws in the Bible.

Whoever he is when he's home!

Just start with no shellfish for starters

ETA: On second thought, it might be harder to avoid mixed fabric clothing..

How spiritually juvenile. Yawn.
 
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the focus is on the sin, not the punishment. Things have become much more civilized thank goodness.

Well there are a lot of sins. Why should we focus so much on homosexuality and not, say, divorce or usury?


I'm sure she is aware of this. But how would you know that if you didn't read the text that it is written in?

Sure I read it in the Bible. And the Bible says the Word became flesh not text.

I disagree, most have biblical roots. Unless the forgiveness of debts after 7 years thing was a completely secular idea.

Many laws do have Biblical roots. Many, also, do not.

There are 3 different types of law in the OT, and even when broken down we still fail.

That is an idea that was later, conveniently, written back into the OT by Christians. Can you show me in the Tanakh where these three different types of laws are explained?
 
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Well there are a lot of sins. Why should we focus so much on homosexuality and not, say, divorce or usury?
That's the focus of this blasted thread! do you want to start a thread on divorce or usury?
 
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All of God's laws and punishments are good and just! Why?

So should we reinstate the commandment to stone homosexuals?

How about shutting down all factories that make mixed fabric clothing?


God certainly ensured that we have His message to us in text as well...the written word is logos, and rhema.

People have ensured that we have a message.

Some claim it was inspired by God. Regardless, though, the Bible is not God nor is it the logos of God. At best, you can claim that we can experience the logos or presence of God by reading scripture and that is brought about through the presence of the Holy Spirit not some magical inerrant writings in a book.


Yes they are...they are based on the Judeo-Christian ethic.

First.

There is no such monolith as "Judeo-Christian ethics".

Second, there are a great many laws that are not based upon commandments in the Bible and I think that is a very good thing.

I'm sure you would like to resurrect public stonings but thankfully we have moved beyond that type of draconian brutality.


How spiritually juvenile. Yawn.

So you don't like all the commandments in "God's Word" then?

You just go ahead and select the ones that you would like to see enforced such as homosexuality and wear your mixed fabric clothing and eat your shrimp to your heart's content
 
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That's the focus of this blasted thread! do you want to start a thread on divorce or usury?

Why don't you do so?

I would prefer not to single out certain activities that I personally believe are sinful and rail against those types of people.

Perhaps I should start a thread against the sinful nature of anti-environmentalists and other people who pollute God's creation?
 
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Well there are a lot of sins. Why should we focus so much on homosexuality and not, say, divorce or usury?
because no one is in here making threads that divorce and usury are blessed by God and not sinful.



Sure I read it in the Bible. And the Bible says the Word became flesh not text.
Right, but the Word was written text, was it not? God's laws were written in text, and Christ upheld them all.


That is an idea that was later, conveniently, written back into the OT by Christians. Can you show me in the Tanakh where these three different types of laws are explained?

I don't believe anything was 'written in' , but its just a method of understanding concepts. Just like understanding the Trinity, it is never explicitly mentioned as "Trinity" in any of the books, but the concept is there.
 
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because no one is in here making threads that divorce and usury are blessed by God and not sinful.

I spent a good year modding this very forum and my experience is that when threads not about sins that do not concern homosexuality or abortion are started they are generally ignored by the very people who feel compelled to rail against the abominable sins which pretty much just includes homosexuality and abortion.





Right, but the Word was written text, was it not? God's laws were written in text, and Christ upheld them all.
No, not really. Texts have been written about the Word of God, sure, but they are human literary products...

I don't believe anything was 'written in' , but its just a method of understanding concepts. Just like understanding the Trinity, it is never explicitly mentioned as "Trinity" in any of the books, but the concept is there.
Perhaps.

I think the only sound way of applying exegesis to any book in the Bible is through Christ. All laws should be looked at through Jesus' teaching here, IMO:

[bible]Matthew 22:37-40[/bible]

Can we look at all sins through the law of love.

Does love, truly, cover a multitude of sins?

[bible]1 Peter 4:8[/bible]
 
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Why would we want to discuss divorce or usury in a section that was made to discuss homosexuality?

Well I guess we could discuss those things as they relate to homosexuality, but..............................................

Why do you guys think that there are specific sub-forums for abortion and homosexuality and no other sins?

Think about it

If conservative Christians cared as much about all the other sins as they do about those two hot button issues, I doubt this forum would need specific sub-forums for two those two things...
 
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You're not making threads that they are sinful either. Why do so many Christians focus on homosexuality when it doesn't even concern them? Why do so many Christians care whether other people are having love relationships?

Just as Christians mostly leave divorced people alone and don't hound them about their "sin," Christians should leave gay people alone and not hound us about our alleged "sin," which is not a sin at all.
 
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Again, this is just your opinion. Plenty of gay people are Christians, and plenty of heterosexual Christians accept gay people as we are.
 
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