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Homosexuality is a sin.

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Romans 1:24-32
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
 
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Because God never allowed Homosexuality in the Bible, infact, he destroyed Sodom and Gomarrah for that sin.

No, Chris: homosexuality was not the reason God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah (note correct spelling) -- first, because if that were the sin, that does not explain why the women of Sodom were killed along with the men, nor does it explain the children of Sodom (who were presumably brought about by heterosexual conception); and second, it does not take into account the hospitality code of the time and how rigidly that code was enforced. Sodom and Gomorrah were oases in a desert, the hospitality code mandated that any person or group stopping at a city or settlement (which had to have running water, else it could not exist) must be sheltered, given food and water for their stay and sufficient food and water for themselves and their animals before beginning the next part of their journey, else they would die of dehydration in the desert. Not adhering to the hospitality code condemned the unfortunate visitor to death in the desert, and was a capital crime in that era.

Now, we're going to have a Bible lesson, and I'm going to quote an entire chapter of Scripture in the hope that the entire chapter will be read in context so the actual sin of Sodom can be explained -- and it is precisely explained and I will highlight that part in red:

Ezekiel 16
1 Again the word of the Lord came to me: 2 Son of man, make known to Jerusalem her abominations, 3 and say, Thus says the Lord God to Jerusalem: Your origin and your birth are of the land of the Canaanites; your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite. 4 And as for your birth, on the day you were born your cord was not cut, nor were you washed with water to cleanse you, nor rubbed with salt, nor wrapped in swaddling cloths. 5 No eye pitied you, to do any of these things to you out of compassion for you, but you were cast out on the open field, for you were abhorred, on the day that you were born. 6 And when I passed by you and saw you wallowing in your blood, I said to you in your blood, Live! I said to you in your blood, Live! 7 I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment. Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare. 8 When I passed by you again and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord God, and you became mine. 9 Then I bathed you with water and washed off your blood from you and anointed you with oil. 10 I clothed you also with embroidered cloth and shod you with fine leather. I wrapped you in fine linen and covered you with silk. 11 And I adorned you with ornaments and put bracelets on your wrists and a chain on your neck. 12 And I put a ring on your nose and earrings in your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. 13 Thus you were adorned with gold and silver, and your clothing was of fine linen and silk and embroidered cloth. You ate fine flour and honey and oil. You grew exceedingly beautiful and advanced to royalty. 14 And your renown went forth among the nations because of your beauty, for it was perfect through the splendor that I had bestowed on you, declares the Lord God. 15 But you trusted in your beauty and played the harlot because of your renown and lavished your whorings on any passerby; your beauty became his. 16 You took some of your garments and made for yourself colorful shrines, and on them played the harlot. The like has never been, nor ever shall be. 17 You also took your beautiful jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself images of men, and with them played the harlot. 18 And you took your embroidered garments to cover them, and set my oil and my incense before them. 19 Also my bread that I gave you—I fed you with fine flour and oil and honey—you set before them for a pleasing aroma; and so it was, declares the Lord God. 20 And you took your sons and your daughters, whom you had borne to me, and these you sacrificed to them to be devoured. Were your whorings so small a matter 21 that you slaughtered my children and delivered them up as an offering by fire to them? 22 And in all your abominations and your whorings you did not remember the days of your youth, when you were naked and bare, wallowing in your blood. 23 And after all your wickedness (woe, woe to you! declares the Lord God), 24 you built yourself a vaulted chamber and made yourself a lofty place in every square. 25 At the head of every street you built your lofty place and made your beauty an abomination, offering yourself to any passerby and multiplying your whoring. 26 You also played the harlot with the Egyptians, your lustful neighbors, multiplying your whoring, to provoke me to anger. 27 Behold, therefore, I stretched out my hand against you and diminished your allotted portion and delivered you to the greed of your enemies, the daughters of the Philistines, who were ashamed of your lewd behavior. 28 You played the harlot also with the Assyrians, because you were not satisfied; yes, you played the harlot with them, and still you were not satisfied. 29 You multiplied your whoring also with the trading land of Chaldea, and even with this you were not satisfied. 30 How lovesick is your heart, declares the Lord God, because you did all these things, the deeds of a brazen prostitute, 31 building your vaulted chamber at the head of every street, and making your lofty place in every square. Yet you were not like a prostitute, because you scorned payment. 32 Adulterous wife, who receives strangers instead of her husband! 33 Men give gifts to all prostitutes, but you gave your gifts to all your lovers, bribing them to come to you from every side with your whorings. 34 So you were different from other women in your whorings. No one solicited you to play the harlot, and you gave payment, while no payment was given to you; therefore you were different. 35 Therefore, O prostitute, hear the word of the Lord: 36 Thus says the Lord God, Because your lust was poured out and your nakedness uncovered in your whorings with your lovers, and with all your abominable idols, and because of the blood of your children that you gave to them, 37 therefore, behold, I will gather all your lovers with whom you took pleasure, all those you loved and all those you hated. I will gather them against you from every side and will uncover your nakedness to them, that they may see all your nakedness. 38 And I will judge you as women who commit adultery and shed blood are judged, and bring upon you the blood of wrath and jealousy. 39 And I will give you into their hands, and they shall throw down your vaulted chamber and break down your lofty places. They shall strip you of your clothes and take your beautiful jewels and leave you naked and bare. 40 They shall bring up a crowd against you, and they shall stone you and cut you to pieces with their swords. 41 And they shall burn your houses and execute judgments upon you in the sight of many women. I will make you stop playing the harlot, and you shall also give payment no more. 42 So will I satisfy my wrath on you, and my jealousy shall depart from you. I will be calm and will no more be angry. 43 Because you have not remembered the days of your youth, but have enraged me with all these things, therefore, behold, I have returned your deeds upon your head, declares the Lord God. Have you not committed lewdness in addition to all your abominations? 44 Behold, everyone who uses proverbs will use this proverb about you: Like mother, like daughter. 45 You are the daughter of your mother, who loathed her husband and her children; and you are the sister of your sisters, who loathed their husbands and their children. Your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite. 46 And your elder sister is Samaria, who lived with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you, is Sodom with her daughters. 47 Not only did you walk in their ways and do according to their abominations; within a very little time you were more corrupt than they in all your ways. 48 As I live, declares the Lord God, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done.

49 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.

51 Samaria has not committed half your sins. You have committed more abominations than they, and have made your sisters appear righteous by all the abominations that you have committed. 52 Bear your disgrace, you also, for you have intervened on behalf of your sisters. Because of your sins in which you acted more abominably than they, they are more in the right than you. So be ashamed, you also, and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous. 53 I will restore their fortunes, both the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters, and the fortunes of Samaria and her daughters, and I will restore your own fortunes in their midst, 54 that you may bear your disgrace and be ashamed of all that you have done, becoming a consolation to them. 55 As for your sisters, Sodom and her daughters shall return to their former state, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former state, and you and your daughters shall return to your former state. 56 Was not your sister Sodom a byword in your mouth in the day of your pride, 57 before your wickedness was uncovered? Now you have become an object of reproach for the daughters of Syria and all those around her, and for the daughters of the Philistines, those all around who despise you. 58 You bear the penalty of your lewdness and your abominations, declares the Lord. 59 For thus says the Lord God: I will deal with you as you have done, you who have despised the oath in breaking the covenant, 60 yet I will remember my covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish for you an everlasting covenant. 61 Then you will remember your ways and be ashamed when you take your sisters, both your elder and your younger, and I give them to you as daughters, but not on account of the covenant with you. 62 I will establish my covenant with you, and you shall know that I am the Lord, 63 that you may remember and be confounded, and never open your mouth again because of your shame, when I atone for you for all that you have done, declares the Lord God.

P. The Word of the Lord.
C. Thanks be to God.
 
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49 " 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. 51 Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more detestable things than they, and have made your sisters seem righteous by all these things you have done. 52 Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.
 
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Only the KJV is the "real" Bible.

All other versions are of the Pit.



When the idea is to "win" at all cost, I guess that's the emergency "trump card".
Sorry, I believe the KJV is the bible, and therefor, what it says goes. And as you can see, you are wrong when you use the KJV. I wonder why?
 
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Sorry, I believe the KJV is the bible, and therefor, what it says goes. And as you can see, you are wrong when you use the KJV. I wonder why?

Do you really, really want me to answer that question?

Like, when you don't have a response to what someone has posted -- perhaps tell them that they're using the wrong version of the Bible, and they need to use the KJV only; and if that doesn't work, change the subject?

Like you've done with Pogue, BigBadWlf and DaveDJ -- and now me?
 
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Isn't it strange that all I had to do was post KJV verses, and they disagree with everything you say?
 
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And what would those detestable things be?????? Would that be for having sexual relations in loving, monogamous relationships?? or would that be the unwelcoming rape that they did? please show me the same sex, monogamous relationships in Sodom and Gomorrah. THANKS!
 
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Look, the Bible says Homosexuality is an abomination. You have priveded Pro homosexual propaganda, that tries to discredit the Bible, but it doesn't work on us KJV Bible believing Christians. I don't care how much of a mistranslation you think something was, it wasn't. It clearly talks about the act of homosexuality. That means that it CAN'T be a miss translation. You can't miss translated entire verses of scripture. If it was just ONE word, than MAYBE. But it's not. You ignore most of my post, the ones that you can't answer, and then you come back later on with the same arguments I have debunked. It's sad.
 
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ROFL! Yeah, you mean with your biased translations, there isn't any word for homosexual used in the actual Greek and Hebrew language. Let it be known that the same place that condemns some act, also eating a bowl of clam chowder and wearing clothing of mixed fabrics were equal "abomination" sins. You are living in abomination yourself, according to this.

You have debunked? Oh, that is hilarious, I can't wait to hear from Enemyparty.
 
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I am glad that you took the profanity out of your post, and are now saying rotfl, instead of adding the rest of it on there. My "biased" translations are no more biased than you biased translations. You don't read the original text, if you even read the Bible at all. Tell me, what Bible do you read? What makes you more qualitfied than the KJV translators? Did you ever go on vacation, and learn a new language while you were gone? I don't think so. You actually are NOT more qualified than they were, nor is your source. Infact, in this time and age, I would be willing to bet that NOT ONE MAN is as smart, or well educated, nor more qualified to translate the Bible than the KJV translators. They were some of the smartest men of their time, and believe me, I take their dicissions over your biased agendas.
 
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I use blueletterbible.org to cite my word translations, so I have full access to the language.

What profanity? I don't use profanity, unless you the 3 letter word that starts with an A profanity. I forgot we aren't mature adults here, we need to stay in some little language convent!!!

I take the unbiased elders that are much older than you that have private messaged me and shown me how God was revealing His truth through the interpretations that I found. NOT by someone who masks as something they aren't, quoting the same old verses, starts redundant threads and has some KJV power trip.
 
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The KJV translators were more qualified than those biased "Pastors" that are PMing you. And yes, that is a curse word, and you should not use it. Is that a word you think Jesus Christ would use? If not, stop using it.
 
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The KJV translators were more qualified than those biased "Pastors" that are PMing you. And yes, that is a curse word, and you should not use it. Is that a word you think Jesus Christ would use? If not, stop using it.
Why are you telling me what language to use? I am a little older than you, I will not tolerate it from anyone younger or older anyways, go tell a MOD.

Believe it or not, I actually cite SCHOLARS that agree with my side.
 
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Why are you telling me what language to use? I am a little older than you, I will not tolerate it from anyone younger or older anyways, go tell a MOD.

Believe it or not, I actually cite SCHOLARS that agree with my side.
That's great, but just because you are 2 years older than me, doesn't mean you are smarter than me. And that's great that you quote scholars, but I'm sorry, they are not as qualified as the KJV translators.
 
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That's great, but just because you are 2 years older than me, doesn't mean you are smarter than me. And that's great that you quote scholars, but I'm sorry, they are not as qualified as the KJV translators.
As I said...I don't care if you are older or younger than me, I will not tolerate anyone telling me what to do, that goes for anyone here except the Moderators. I demand the same level of respect as anyone else, and it is not allowed and against CF rules.
 
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What are you talking about? What did I tell you to do?
 
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