Homosexuality is a sin, get over it...

ThirdDay3337 · Sep 15, 2006

That is an interesting view on it and I had to think about that for awhile, but...this is what I'm going to say on it.

If one believes that being gay is wrong, then letting them marry is accepting their sin.

Letting kkk members to marry is different because it is not accepting their sin. Their sin has to do with something completely different.

Try to think of it like this. Would you let a pedafile walk into preschools?

This is my view on same-sex marriage.

Catherineanne · Sep 15, 2006

Konkurrent said:
"Because my interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one, my interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one."

Works for me.

Catherineanne · Sep 15, 2006

Judahspraise said:
NO, cause it is STILL wrong in God's eyes. Nothing wrong with loving them. As I said, I DO love the person...BUT not what the sin is. Sorry. God made Adam and Eve...NOT Adam and Steve....sorry.

Anyone who places a 'but' after the word 'love', does not know what love is. Imho.

Or perhaps, to be more accurate, does not know what the sacrificial love of Christ is, which we are called to show to one another.

HisBelovedMelody · Sep 15, 2006

Catherineanne said:
Anyone who places a 'but' after the word 'love', does not know what love is. Imho.

Or perhaps, to be more accurate, does not know what the sacrificial love of Christ is, which we are called to show to one another.

well, YOU would be wrong. GOD calls things sin. I did too. He said to love people...I DO love people. NOT the sin. GET over it.

Catherineanne · Sep 15, 2006

Judahspraise said:
well, YOU would be wrong. GOD calls things sin. I did too. He said to love people...I DO love people. NOT the sin. GET over it.

Where does Christ use language like this in the Bible?

I do not recall him ever telling anyone to GET over anything. And, as we are told that the servant is not above his master, I would hesitate to take a tone which is more condemnatory than his, if I were you.

Fwiw, the phrase; 'hate the sin but love the sinner' is, imo, unChristian. There is no room for hatred in Christ, in God, nor in our faith.

hithesh · Sep 15, 2006

ThirdDay3337 said:
If one believes that being gay is wrong, then letting them marry is accepting their sin.

Letting kkk members to marry is different because it is not accepting their sin. Their sin has to do with something completely different. .

Is two men loving each other a sin, or is it just two men who have sex that is a sin?

ReformedChapin · Sep 15, 2006

hithesh said:
Is two men loving each other a sin, or is it just two men who have sex that is a sin?

biblically they are both sins, what you have in your heart counts as much as your actions.

ReformedChapin · Sep 15, 2006

Catherineanne said:
Where does Christ use language like this in the Bible?

I do not recall him ever telling anyone to GET over anything. And, as we are told that the servant is not above his master, I would hesitate to take a tone which is more condemnatory than his, if I were you.

Fwiw, the phrase; 'hate the sin but love the sinner' is, imo, unChristian. There is no room for hatred in Christ, in God, nor in our faith.

I'll use your logic, where did Jesus say that?

Catherineanne · Sep 15, 2006

NewGuy101 said:
I'll use your logic, where did Jesus say that?

"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples. That ye love one another, as I have loved you."

Followed by a Bible study of Christ's encounters with sinners, and what he said and did. And a search for any mention of 'hate'. You will not find it.

hithesh · Sep 15, 2006

ThirdDay3337 said:
I don't think anyone changed their minds because of arguments on forums.

I don't think that anyone changes there mind because of arguments on forums, but they think about things. A reader would notice the good points in both arguments, and he will reflect on them, and noticing other patterns outside of these forums, will help to either reaffirm his previous beliefs, or deny them.

I believe that Christians for the most part in the future will be more accepting of homosexuality, because this is the way christians are slowly moving now. And you will find none that are going back. No christian who supported gay rights, has later denied them, but you will find many in the oppositon, who are now the support.

20 years a ago, such a discussion as we are having now would not occur, because you would not find a christian fighting for gay rights, and years before that you would not find many christians who opposed slavery, or opposed segregation, but the christians of the past are not the christians of today, and the christians of today are not the christians of tomorrow.

I may not be able to change a person's views on this forum, but I will do my best to make them think, and sow the seeds of compassion in them, the best I can.

God bless

Catherineanne · Sep 15, 2006

NewGuy101 said:
biblically they are both sins, what you have in your heart counts as much as your actions.

If one man loving another is a sin, then Our Lord sinned, because he loved the disciple John, who is referred to in the Bible as the Beloved Disciple.

Interesting take on Scripture.

hithesh · Sep 15, 2006

NewGuy101 said:
biblically they are both sins, what you have in your heart counts as much as your actions.

That is only if the heart is lust. But my question pertains to a man who loves, void of lust.
They desire to be married because they seek the loving (non-sexual) companionship of each other.

If two men love each other, but do not lust after each other sexually, where in the bible can you define this as sin?

ReformedChapin · Sep 15, 2006

Catherineanne said:
"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples. That ye love one another, as I have loved you."

Followed by a Bible study of Christ's encounters with sinners, and what he said and did. And a search for any mention of 'hate'. You will not find it.

That only proves that you should love other poeple, that doesn't mean you should love what's evil. BTW paul said cling to what's God, hate what's evil.

ReformedChapin · Sep 15, 2006

Catherineanne said:
If one man loving another is a sin, then Our Lord sinned, because he loved the disciple John, who is referred to in the Bible as the Beloved Disciple.

Interesting take on Scripture.

You're talking about TWO KINDS of LOVE.

The love between Christ and his people is not romantic like between two men.

*sigh*

hithesh · Sep 15, 2006

NewGuy101 said:
You're talking about TWO KINDS of LOVE.

The love between Christ and his people is not romantic like between two men.

*sigh*

Thanks for not answering my question.

The bible only defines the sexual act as sin, so if two men love each other without lust, and get married, how can you define this as sin?

AmberInSoFla · Sep 15, 2006

"Homosexuality is a sin, get over it..."

This is a statement of HATE, meant to shame or incite people.

One solid thing that this thread is making me remember is that the Bible can be used to show absolutely anything that you want it to show.

I give up.

Catherineanne · Sep 15, 2006

NewGuy101 said:
That only proves that you should love other poeple, that doesn't mean you should love what's evil.

What it 'proves' is that anyone following in the footsteps of Christ will have no excuse for expressing hatred, because the servant is not above his master. And it is absolutely about loving evil, because where love enters, evil is destroyed as completely as it was on the cross.

This is the radical message of Christ, and anyone who tries to distort it into a message of hatred distorts the gospel.

BTW paul said cling to what's God, hate what's evil.

Paul is speaking in relation to one's own sin, not other people's, and forgive me if I place the life and example of Our Lord before even the blessed Paul.

There is no excuse for hatred of any kind in a Christian.

Catherineanne · Sep 15, 2006

NewGuy101 said:
You're talking about TWO KINDS of LOVE.

The love between Christ and his people is not romantic like between two men.

*sigh*

Actually, this is not correct. You are the one who has two kinds of love. I only have one. Either it is love, or it is not.

If two men love one another, as John and Christ loved one another, that is a holy and blessed thing. Shame on anyone who desecrates that love by saying that it has anything of evil within it, or the seeds of evil if the expression of love goes beyond a certain arbitrary point, which says more about the judge than those being judged.

Our Lord ate the last supper with John's head leaning on his breast, and as he died he dedicated his mother to John's care, and John to her care.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

intricatic · Sep 15, 2006

hithesh said:
Thanks for not answering my question.

The bible only defines the sexual act as sin, so if two men love each other without lust, and get married, how can you define this as sin?

Are you implying that two men can't love one another unless homosexuality is somehow involved? The homosexual act is still sin, but love between two men is not always sexual. That's called an "anachronism". It's also a fallacy of misrepresentation.

intricatic · Sep 15, 2006

Catherineanne said:
What it 'proves' is that anyone following in the footsteps of Christ will have no excuse for expressing hatred, because the servant is not above his master. And it is absolutely about loving evil, because where love enters, evil is destroyed as completely as it was on the cross.

This is the radical message of Christ, and anyone who tries to distort it into a message of hatred distorts the gospel.

Are you suggesting that there is no distinction between hating a certain idea, thinking it's illogical and meaningless, and hating an individual for accepting it? Love is not about accepting all worldviews as valid, and it's also not about accepting ideas you disagree with as true if you have significant reason to believe otherwise. It's about accepting people, despite the ideas they cling to. If this were true, then there could be no person who isn't absolutely corrupted with this issue, as people will disagree and argue with the doctrine of homosexuality just as much as those who accept it argue and disagree with those who don't. There would be no morally right or wrong except for those who avoided social situations entirely under that paradigm. That doesn't save souls, though, does it?

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