Homosexual Churches

Stormy · Jan 27, 2003

You keep them out of your churches.
You think that you are doing God's will?

They form their own churches. You want them closed.
You think that you are doing God's will?

You look at their sin and judge them unworthy to worship God.
You think that you are God?

You step into their church and you can see their sin... for it is obvious.

But God can step into your church and see your sin...
for it is obvious to him.

two feathers · Jan 27, 2003

well said, stormy.

dignitized · Jan 27, 2003

I think stromy has a very valid point. If you don't want them in your own churches why are you kvetching about them forming a church?

kern · Jan 27, 2003

Good post, Stormy.

-Chris

Homie · Jan 28, 2003

I don't get the "defensive" attitude of some of the posters here. I think no one suggested that gays should not be allowed in church, but preaching that homosexuality is ok and not a sin = false teaching. And if they have their own churches there would certainly be preaching, would there not?

Some poster here mentioned that for God every sin is equal so do not judge them so hard (I am paraphrasing). So from that reasoning think about this: A group of thieves has formed their own church, they teach that stealing is ok and wear "Proud to be a thief" badges. Would any of you condone such a church?

Bruno · Jan 28, 2003

Show them lovingly where the Holy Bible explains plainly what they preach is a sin. Back it up with God's Word and Love, NOT hate!

HATE IS NEVER THE ANSWER!!!

fragmentsofdreams · Jan 28, 2003

Originally posted by Homie
I don't get the "defensive" attitude of some of the posters here. I think no one suggested that gays should not be allowed in church, but preaching that homosexuality is ok and not a sin = false teaching. And if they have their own churches there would certainly be preaching, would there not?

Some poster here mentioned that for God every sin is equal so do not judge them so hard (I am paraphrasing). So from that reasoning think about this: A group of thieves has formed their own church, they teach that stealing is ok and wear "Proud to be a thief" badges. Would any of you condone such a church?

I would not consider their church to be an abomination. I would be happy that they are praising God rather than ignoring Him like so many people do these days. Then, I would approach them as a fellow Christian and talk to them about it, making sure to listen to their concerns and the reasons why they steal. Only by understanding them can I hope to correct what is wrong. If I only treat the symptoms of a disease, the patient will still die.

dignitized · Jan 29, 2003

Originally posted by Homie
I don't get the "defensive" attitude of some of the posters here. I think no one suggested that gays should not be allowed in church, but preaching that homosexuality is ok and not a sin = false teaching. And if they have their own churches there would certainly be preaching, would there not?

Some poster here mentioned that for God every sin is equal so do not judge them so hard (I am paraphrasing). So from that reasoning think about this: A group of thieves has formed their own church, they teach that stealing is ok and wear "Proud to be a thief" badges. Would any of you condone such a church?

 

Homie: I'm not defending their forming their own church or those churches that teach that homosexuality is acceptable. The point is - do you attack drug addicts who come to church as soon as they come through the door telling them they will burn in hell?  Cause that is the reaction they [homosexuals] tend to get in a lot of "mainline" churches. 

seebs · Jan 29, 2003

Originally posted by Bruno
Show them lovingly where the Holy Bible explains plainly what they preach is a sin.

And when they say "that's nice, but that's not how I interpret it", and point you at the clear Biblical support for things *you* reject, because you interpret the Bible differently, perhaps it's time to admit that interpretation is a bit harder than you thought.

JesusServant · Jan 29, 2003

Originally posted by kern
"On hearing this, Jesus said to them, 'It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.'"

-Chris

Which was everyone

JesusServant · Jan 29, 2003

Originally posted by Stormy
You keep them out of your churches.
You think that you are doing God's will?

They form their own churches. You want them closed.
You think that you are doing God's will?

You look at their sin and judge them unworthy to worship God.
You think that you are God?

You step into their church and you can see their sin... for it is obvious.

But God can step into your church and see your sin...
for it is obvious to him.

Well put Stormy.

his-girl · Jan 29, 2003

Stormy,

Excellent post!

Andrew · Jan 30, 2003

... I think no one suggested that gays should not be allowed in church, but preaching that homosexuality is ok and not a sin = false teaching. And if they have their own churches there would certainly be preaching, would there not?

I'd amen that.

No one is rejecting the sinner. But if there's nothing wrong with what they are doing, then paedophiles might as well set up their own churches too, invite their own kind and preach that what they are doing is natural, ok and not a sin --- and give Christianity a bad name.

PastorFreud · Jan 30, 2003

Originally posted by Andrew
I'd amen that.

No one is rejecting the sinner. But if there's nothing wrong with what they are doing, then paedophiles might as well set up their own churches too, invite their own kind and preach that what they are doing is natural, ok and not a sin --- and give Christianity a bad name.

I hate it when people associate homosexuality and pedophilia.  The two are not the same.  Please, please stop making this comparison.

And people reach the conclusion that homosexuality is a sin by reading Scritpure a particular way.  If you read Scripture without taking into account the original language, the cultural context, the literary form, the historical context, and the overall purpose of the larger text, then you are not loving God with all your mind.  You are devoting yourself to discipleship.  You are focusing on specific verses and asserting that what you think they mean is what God meant for certain.  I believe this is arrogant.  It is not the Spirit of Christ. 

kern · Jan 30, 2003

Originally posted by Andrew

No one is rejecting the sinner. But if there's nothing wrong with what they are doing, then paedophiles might as well set up their own churches too, invite their own kind and preach that what they are doing is natural, ok and not a sin --- and give Christianity a bad name.

Why do people insist on comparing homosexuals and pedophiles (bestiality is another popular comparison)? The two are different in a number of important ways. Can people really not see that?

-Chris

seebs · Jan 30, 2003

One reason to compare homosexuals and pedophiles is that they have a few traits in common:
1. There is no known way to change these qualities.
2. They appear to, in general, be fixed fairly early on.

On the other hand, look at other things that, so far as we know, share these qualities: right-handedness, heterosexuality, left-handedness... Handedness and sexuality are pretty much inherent in almost everybody.

To be fair, though, the conclusion I draw is that being a pedophile isn't sinful, but having sex with children is. Why? Because I can point to someone who is harmed in the process.

PastorFreud · Jan 30, 2003

I, of course, would argue with the language of "being." I am in favor of ridding our language of all constructions of "is", but that would appear to be the topic of another thread.

A person who has attractions toward sex with children but does not act on them appears to be different than the one who has attractions and does act on them. We should limit sexual activity with children, but to require the same of consenting adults would appear illogical.

seebs · Jan 30, 2003

Agreed - but, for better or worse, some words are based on desires, and some are based on actions. A silly language, I'm afraid.

fragmentsofdreams · Jan 30, 2003

Pedophiles have a (deserved) social stigma that is much stronger than that currently placed on homosexuals. By connecting the two, people hope that some of that stigma will cross over. It is the same as those who compare any military act to acts of terrorism.

dignitized · Jan 30, 2003

Can a person be a believing confessing Christian and a homosexual? I think that this is the real question here.

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