Holiness

11822 said:

I require my flesh to obey Gods will. This thread is about holiness but you use it to talk about the law instead. You haven't told us what holiness is, but you rail against me when i do, but i'm just listening to the apostles, they said to be wise and know what the will of God is, but you say they are making lists, the apostles tell us but you accuse them of making lists and teaching law, i'm beginning to wonder if you yourself even know what Gods call to holiness is.

Tell us what Holiness is then scratch. What is Gods will scratch, we all know its living by faith in Jesus Christ, but what else did the apostles tell us was Gods will?

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Please tell me how holiness is established without the law.

Then I need you to tell me how to have a discussion with people who talk about the law in relationship to holiness.

Holiness or righteousness doesn't come by the law or some rule list that appears to be a reference to the law by a third party.

I'm told that the application of Gal 5:19-21 is a direct application of obdeience to the law from the pro law camp. So what do I need to do according to you? I guess the only way to please you is to not respond to anyone or take your view. Uncle. Now how can one murder, etc. and be holy? Are you asking for agreement with you or silence?

So define holiness without the law.

If righteousness of or by the law is ended by Jesus - Rom 10:4, how was righteousness extablished prior to the cross? Yet it is plain that neither holiness nor righteousness came by the law.