History of Charismatic Renewal

CatholicFlame · Feb 14, 2008

I would like to suggest a reading of these two articles to help better undersatnd the beginnings of the pentecostal and charismatic movement.

In short, my undersatnding of the whole event goes like this:

Blessed Elena Guerra was receiving promting from God in the late 1800's to ask the church for a renewal in teh Holy Spirit.

Pope Leo XIII, at her request began the work of beginning a time of focus on the Spirit, althought hte church itself was very slow to comprehend this.

Then after a proayer of invoking the Holy Spirit over the entire church on Dec 31st, 1900 (the eve before the new millenium), a woman named Agnes Oznam in Topeka Kansas was the first christian to pray in tongues (of course not including the apostles and the saints throughout the ages). This began was is known as the pentecostal movement.

Later, Catholics also began to receive this gift in 1967 when some catholics visited a pentecostal church.

Isn't it funny how the prayer invoked over the whole church by the Holy Pontiff preceeding this gift? I think that the church is more united than many realize.

Please enjoy these articles. And share your thoughts please!

http://burningbush.beatitudes.org/english/history.htm

http://www.catholic-jhb.org.za/tracts/renewal.htm

Peaceful Dove · Feb 14, 2008

Thanks Catholic Flame. This is a very good topic.

I recommend the book AS BY A NEW PENTECOST: The Dramatic Beginnings of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal by Patti Gallagher Mansfield

This is written by one of the college students at Dusqusne University who was on retreat at the very first Catholic Charismatic Prayer meeting.

When Pope John XXIII was elected after the death of Pope Pius XXII, the Holy Spirit urged him to open a new Councel, a great Ecumenical Councel. He obeyed and opened Vatican II, called it the Great Ecumenical Councel and invited the leaders of all of the World Christian Churches. A great many accepted the invitation and was there at the opening. In union with the leadership in the Catholic Church and leaders of the non-Roman Catholic Christian Community, Pope John XXIII's prayer included this fervant request, "O Holy Spirit… pour forth the fullness of your gifts… Renew your wonders in this day as by a new Pentecost".. Imagine the Christian Church praying in unity and see how God answered this prayer. Patti Gallagher Mansfield was a participant in the February 1967 "Duquesne Weekend" which marked the beginning of the Charismatic Renewal in the Catholic Church. The flames of this outpouring of the Holy Spirit spread like a wild fire across the country and landed on the west coast in Southern California very quickly. I believe It was 1968 when the Prayer Group I was in began in Riverside County. It was the most amazing thing I could imagine. It grew and grew at an amazing speed and we saw so many miracles.

I am sure there are others here that go back to these very early days that could share with us some of their experiences.
Please join in.

HisKid1973 · Feb 14, 2008

Ever read about the Welsh revival?

Peaceful Dove · Feb 14, 2008

I know there were other revivals.
I think we meant the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.
Most of the Revivals were called Pentecostal revivals I think. I think the Charismatic Renewal was born in the 1960s by this group of students.
I will check it out though.

HisKid1973 · Feb 14, 2008

Oh you mean catholic charismatic renewal..Sorry about that..You know what would be cool if we could get in local groups and start pullin some all nighters, it would light some fires for sure..It might take hard times though to get em started..peace to you..Kim

MoNiCa4316 · Feb 15, 2008

Very interesting! thanks for sharing. I never knew that about the Pope and Blessed Elena Guerra.

hopeinGod · Feb 15, 2008

I am wondering what differences, if any, there are within the Catholic and Protestant Charismatic movements, either throughout history or today. Is there anything specific that separates them both in regard to the movement of the Spirit, the vessels whom the Lord uses, the use of tongues, and all that?

I am greatly blessed by the music of J.M. Talbot. He does seem to have an exceptional anointing on his work.

I dated a Catholic girl for several years, and we attended her church regularly, but I never witnessed any Charismatic leanings while we were in attendance.

How widespread is the Charismatic experience within the Catholic Church? Do healing services take place? And how is the use of the gifts taught? In training sessions? Is prophecy spoken within any of the meetings?

Just curious....
I am a companion of all those who love the Lord.
Dave

Peaceful Dove · Feb 15, 2008

hopeinGod said:
I am wondering what differences, if any, there are within the Catholic and Protestant Charismatic movements, either throughout history or today. Is there anything specific that separates them both in regard to the movement of the Spirit, the vessels whom the Lord uses, the use of tongues, and all that?

I am greatly blessed by the music of J.M. Talbot. He does seem to have an exceptional anointing on his work.

I dated a Catholic girl for several years, and we attended her church regularly, but I never witnessed any Charismatic leanings while we were in attendance.

How widespread is the Charismatic experience within the Catholic Church? Do healing services take place? And how is the use of the gifts taught? In training sessions? Is prophecy spoken within any of the meetings?

Just curious....
I am a companion of all those who love the Lord.
Dave

Well, first of all we are Catholic and conform to all of the doctrines of the Catholic Church. I am pretty sure you are familiar with many of them.

That being said, we experience the manifestations of all of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, incuding the ones you mentioned above.
Our Prayer Group has Healing Mass every First Friday of the Month and then every Friday we have Prayer Group and pray and lay hands on folks individually at the conclusion of the meeting.

CatholicFlame · Feb 15, 2008

Welcome to the Catholic Charismatic Renewal Dave.

You are in for a treat if you look through this forum. Most people are shocked to know that catholics, of all people, are praying in tongues, discerning the Spirits, and speaking a word for the Lord.

Be blessed here!

Caritas3 · Feb 17, 2008

CatholicFlame said:
I would like to suggest a reading of these two articles to help better undersatnd the beginnings of the pentecostal and charismatic movement.

In short, my undersatnding of the whole event goes like this:

Blessed Elena Guerra was receiving promting from God in the late 1800's to ask the church for a renewal in teh Holy Spirit.

Pope Leo XIII, at her request began the work of beginning a time of focus on the Spirit, althought hte church itself was very slow to comprehend this.

Then after a proayer of invoking the Holy Spirit over the entire church on Dec 31st, 1900 (the eve before the new millenium), a woman named Agnes Oznam in Topeka Kansas was the first christian to pray in tongues (of course not including the apostles and the saints throughout the ages). This began was is known as the pentecostal movement.

Later, Catholics also began to receive this gift in 1967 when some catholics visited a pentecostal church.

Isn't it funny how the prayer invoked over the whole church by the Holy Pontiff preceeding this gift? I think that the church is more united than many realize.

Please enjoy these articles. And share your thoughts please!

http://burningbush.beatitudes.org/english/history.htm

http://www.catholic-jhb.org.za/tracts/renewal.htm

thank you for the links

CatholicFlame · Feb 17, 2008

thank you for liking them sis!

Victrixa · Feb 20, 2008

from the article in the first link - Burning Bush said:
Another important event, again at the request of Sr. Elena, took place on January 1, 1901. Pope Leo XIII invoked the Holy Spirit by singing the hymn Veni Creator Spiritus, in the name of the entire Church. Also on that very day, halfway around the world in Topeka, Kansas, at the Bethel College and Bible School, an outpouring of the Holy Spirit occurred which is generally accepted as the beginning of Pentecostalism. Then the Azusa Street revival of 1906 led by the Afro-American William J. Seymour propelled Pentecostalism across all continents with in two years.

Wow... that is soooo amazing and speaks volumes to me....

It is soooo amazing that after the (Catholic) Pope invoked an outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the whole Church (the whole Body of Christ everywhere) that on the same day, across the world, in the U.S., an outpouring of the Holy Spirit did indeed fall on Protestant Biblical college students.

(Were Catholics not ready to receive such an outpouring? Maybe...)

This confirms to me what the Lord has been speaking to me about today and many months (going to a few years, even) before. I will not talk about this right now though.

MoNiCa4316 · Feb 20, 2008

Victrixa said:
Wow... that is soooo amazing and speaks volumes to me....

It is soooo amazing that after the (Catholic) Pope invoked an outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the whole Church (the whole Body of Christ everywhere) that on the same day, across the world, in the U.S., an outpouring of the Holy Spirit did indeed fall on Protestant Biblical college students.

(Were Catholics not ready to receive such an outpouring? Maybe...)

This confirms to me what the Lord has been speaking to me about today and many months (going to a few years, even) before. I will not talk about this right now though.

I find this really interesting also...!! It also confirms some things for me too that I've been wondering.. Now we can see that the Holy Spirit is beginning to act this way in the Catholic church as well, in the Renewal... I sometimes wonder why the Orthodox church does not have the 'charismatic gifts'...I've talked to other Orthodox people about this, and they seem rather critical of the idea.

CatholicFlame · Feb 21, 2008

Victrixa said:
Wow... that is soooo amazing and speaks volumes to me....

It is soooo amazing that after the (Catholic) Pope invoked an outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the whole Church (the whole Body of Christ everywhere) that on the same day, across the world, in the U.S., an outpouring of the Holy Spirit did indeed fall on Protestant Biblical college students.

(Were Catholics not ready to receive such an outpouring? Maybe...)

This confirms to me what the Lord has been speaking to me about today and many months (going to a few years, even) before. I will not talk about this right now though.

Yeah, this really is awesome.

I really do agree that God's intention to guide the pope for that prayer was meant to start in the protestant churches to help bring about the full union of the church.

We are beginning to see it little by little, and of course, it is the holy Spirit that leads people to the full unity of the sacraments.

CatholicFlame · Feb 21, 2008

MoNiCa4316 said:
I find this really interesting also...!! It also confirms some things for me too that I've been wondering.. Now we can see that the Holy Spirit is beginning to act this way in the Catholic church as well, in the Renewal... I sometimes wonder why the Orthodox church does not have the 'charismatic gifts'...I've talked to other Orthodox people about this, and they seem rather critical of the idea.

I do believe that the catholic church wasn't completely ready for the gifts of the Holy Spirit at that point. But God did use it to create the pentecostal church.

All part of His step by step design to bring everyone into the fullness of truth.

From darkness to light, with some grey areas in between, on the journey.

ARBITER01 · Feb 24, 2008

CatholicFlame said:
Then after a proayer of invoking the Holy Spirit over the entire church on Dec 31st, 1900 (the eve before the new millenium), a woman named Agnes Oznam in Topeka Kansas was the first christian to pray in tongues (of course not including the apostles and the saints throughout the ages).

I'm not sure who gave that incorrect information out, but by 1891, Maria Woodsworth-Etter had already traveled across America several times holding tent meetings where the power of GOD was manifested for remarkable healings and miracles. The gifts of The Spirit were always in full operation during all of her services. Whole towns came under conviction, people would suddenly go into trances that would last hours even days.

I know that some folks really want their denomination to somehow lay claim to the so-called pentecostal movement here in America, but it was all GOD. He made it happen, and moved through this woman in a strength that completely rivals anyone after her, even today. Benny Hinn wouldn't even be in the same room with her.

Peaceful Dove · Feb 25, 2008

I think we are talking about the History of the Charismatic Catholic Renewal.

Maybe it wasn't specific but that is what this sub forum is all about.

CatholicFlame · Feb 25, 2008

ARBITER01 said:
I'm not sure who gave that incorrect information out, but by 1891, Maria Woodsworth-Etter had already traveled across America several times holding tent meetings where the power of GOD was manifested for remarkable healings and miracles. The gifts of The Spirit were always in full operation during all of her services. Whole towns came under conviction, people would suddenly go into trances that would last hours even days.

I know that some folks really want their denomination to somehow lay claim to the so-called pentecostal movement here in America, but it was all GOD. He made it happen, and moved through this woman in a strength that completely rivals anyone after her, even today. Benny Hinn wouldn't even be in the same room with her.

I dunno Arbiter, I know that what happened is true, but I guess you are saying that others before her were operating in the gifts of the Spirit.

I do agree that they were operating in healing and the like, but tongues? I dunno about that.

Do a search on Agnes Oznam and see what people say about her.

ARBITER01 · Feb 25, 2008

CatholicFlame said:
I dunno Arbiter, I know that what happened is true, but I guess you are saying that others before her were operating in the gifts of the Spirit.

I do agree that they were operating in healing and the like, but tongues? I dunno about that.

Do a search on Agnes Oznam and see what people say about her.

Here is a reference for that person,..

http://www.biblestudying.net/charismatic17.html

"On January 1, 1901, Agnes Oznam became the first of Parham's students to speak in an unknown tongue. Others soon had the same experience, and Parham claimed that glossolalia was the Ôinitial evidence' that one had been truly baptized with the Holy Spirit." (Britannica.com, "Pentecostalism.")

She was not the first person to speak in tongues for any pentecostal movement, just the first of that guys students.

Here's a reference for Maria,..

Evangelist Woodworth-Etter in 1880 began her dynamic ministry—despite the fact that she had little formal education and didn't start preaching until she was age 35. She had a husband who didn't share her call to the ministry and wanted nothing more than to stay on their Ohio farm. Even though few women were in the pulpit at the time, Maria didn't doubt her call.

She had gone coast to coast at least three times by 1894. In her earlier ministry she emphasized conversions and was very successful in meetings sponsored by Methodists, United Brethren, Churches of God (Winebrenner), and other groups. Then in 1883 people in her meetings began going into trances similar to what happened in the Early Frontier meetings.

She was soon dubbed the "Trance Evangelist," though she believed the experience was the baptism in the Holy Spirit or "receiving the power." During an 1883 meeting in Fairview, Ohio, Maria wrote that the people confessed sin and "prayed for a baptism of the Holy Ghost and of fire."4 Fifteen people came to the altar screaming for mercy and fell over in trances. Even at that early date, Maria called it "the Pentecostal power," adding that "these outpourings of the Holy Ghost were always followed by hundreds coming to Christ."5

In a huge meeting in Alexandria, Indiana, Maria reported that the power of God took control of about 500 of the 25,000 people, causing many to fall to the ground. "The Holy Ghost sat upon them," she wrote. "I was overpowered."6

By 1885 she had developed a theology that included salvation, holiness, the baptism in the Holy Spirit, healing, and the imminent return of Christ. She was also big on prophecies—part of the excitement that helped fill an 8,000-seat tent from city to city.

An 1887 newspaper quoted Maria in an Illinois meeting, giving her a powerful voice before the beginning of the Pentecostal movement.

http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/199901/086_woodsworth_etter.cfm

BTW, tongues are only one of the gifts. There are greater ones that we are to seek from GOD also, such as the power gifts, like working of miracles and gifts of healing. They are the hardest to receive and maintain. Tongues is but a stepping stone for a born-again Christian.

Peaceful Dove · Feb 25, 2008

That is true. Most of our Catholic Charismatic Prayer Groups see most of the gifts manifested.

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