Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment

BobRyan · Jul 18, 2016

Bob S said:
Hi Bob,lets come and reason together. Bickering has not proved to each other our reason to be here.

Lets say you make up a covenant between the two of us. This covenant is even engraved in stone so as to last forever. I continuously brake it, because I cannot live up to the requirements of the covenant, until you get to the point that you can no longer tolerate my unworthiness

Let's say you and the previous owner make an agreement about the house that you live in. And you break that agreement by trashing the house -- then the previous owner says he will make a new agreement with you and that house will once again be deeded over to you and you will keep it in good condition.

Same house -- different agreement.

Same binding authority of the state that you live in to enforce the agreement.

Jeremiah said it would be the LAW of God known to Jeremiah and his readers - that would be written on the heart and mind.

bbbbbbb said:
Now let's say I, as an unbiased bystander, did not enter into your covenant, but Bob goes ahead and breaks it and then you turn around and rewrite it and then turn to me and tell me that I am obigated to keep Bob's covenant. I don't think so, do you?

You are perfectly free to reject the Gospel NEW Covenant if that is your desire.

I don't recommend it.

Hebrews 8
I will effect a new covenant With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.
11 “And they shall not teach everyone his fellow citizen,
And everyone his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For all will know Me,
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 “For I will be merciful to their iniquities,
And I will remember their sins no more.”

Those here who wish to be excluded from the New Covenant can join your opposition to it.

But I will not be doing that.

BobRyan · Jul 18, 2016

Bob S said:
So it is with the old and new covenant that God has given, the old with its rules and regulations is now a shadow of the new covenant in Christ.

Gal 3 - the old Covenant is basically "obey and live". Adam and Eve were under it and then failed. All the lost remain under it until they accept the gospel

bbbbbbb · Jul 18, 2016

BobRyan said:
Gal 3 - the old Covenant is basically "obey and live". Adam and Eve were under it and then failed. All the lost remain under it until they accept the gospel

Well, I have believed the gospel NEW covenant and have no concern regarding the Sinaitic OLD covenant. Which gospel do you believe?

BobRyan · Jul 19, 2016

As we saw here already -

BobRyan said:
You are perfectly free to reject the Gospel NEW Covenant if that is your desire.

I don't recommend it.

Hebrews 8
I will effect a new covenant With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.
11 “And they shall not teach everyone his fellow citizen,
And everyone his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For all will know Me,
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 “For I will be merciful to their iniquities,
And I will remember their sins no more.”

Those here who wish to be excluded from the New Covenant can join your opposition to it.

But I will not be doing that.

the NEW Covenant "this IS the New Covenant I will make with the house of Israel and the house of Judah ... I will write My LAWS on their heart and on their mind" Jeremiah 31:31-33.

THE Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers - written on the heart and mind of the saints. No wonder then so many even of the pro-sunday groups freely admit that the TEN Commandments - spoken by God - are included in that.

Bob S · Jul 19, 2016

BobRyan said:
Let's say you and the previous owner make an agreement about the house that you live in. And you break that agreement by trashing the house -- then the previous owner says he will make a new agreement with you and that house will once again be deeded over to you and you will keep it in good condition.

Hold up there partner, in reality God didn't tell Israel that He would give them the same covenant. The covenant He would give them would not be like the first one He gave to their ancestors. That means it is not the same warmed over covenant that He gave them in the first place. Putting the covenant in our minds is nothing new, the Israelites were to learn the covenant and keep it in their minds. The new one is not like the old one and if you would take the time to study the new one you would see the differences.

Same house -- different agreement.

Exactly, I bet you wish you could take that one back. The agreements are different.

Same binding authority of the state that you live in to enforce the agreement.

If the covenant we live by is the same one Israel lived by why would Jesus have to ratify it by His blood. The old one was already ratified.

Jeremiah said it would be the LAW of God known to Jeremiah and his readers - that would be written on the heart and mind.

“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,

“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors

Bob, where do I find the verse(s) "Jeremiah said it would be the LAW of God known to Jeremiah and his readers"?

Bob S · Jul 19, 2016

I would like to know how anyone could be sure "God's laws" are the Torah.

Torah (Moses)- Salvation by the works of the law.

Jesus- salvation by faith without the works of the law.

You are trying to tell us the covenants are the same? I can see why you try, you have preconceived ideas given to you by some well meaning people who have not understood the Gospel of Jesus.

Travis93 · Jul 19, 2016

Bob S said:
Jesus- salvation by faith without the works of the law.

Not according to Jesus.
Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
It says in a footnote the word iniquity means lawlessness. You can see that in many Bible translations. http://biblehub.com/matthew/7-23.htm
And you can see the definition of iniquity here
Psalms 119:1-3 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord. Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
In fact, you can find almost a direct parallel here.
Psalms 119:115 Depart from me, ye evildoers, for I will keep the commandments of my God,
Psalms 6:8 Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity; for the LORD hath heard the voice of my weeping.

Bob S · Jul 19, 2016

Travis93 said:
Not according to Jesus.
Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
It says in a footnote the word iniquity means lawlessness. You can see that in many Bible translations. http://biblehub.com/matthew/7-23.htm
And you can see the definition of iniquity here
Psalms 119:1-3 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord. Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
In fact, you can find almost a direct parallel here.
Psalms 119:115 Depart from me, ye evildoers, for I will keep the commandments of my God,
Psalms 6:8 Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity; for the LORD hath heard the voice of my weeping.

Travis, have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior? If you have what does that mean to you? If you have why would you not trus Him? Why do you insist on keeping laws given only to Israel and have been abrogated at the Cross? Read Jn 3:16 and Jn 5:24. Do these verses indicate we are saved by law keeping?

You have used verses that seem to me you have not studied. Those verses in Matt are referring to good deeds not works of the law. You are trying to lead lurkers down the wrong path. We cannot allow that to happen. The thief on the cross had nothing to show Jesus accept his faith In Him. Did Jesus reject him?

Travis93 · Jul 19, 2016

Bob S said:
Travis, have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior? If you have what does that mean to you? If you have why would you not trus Him? Why do you insist on keeping laws given only to Israel and have been abrogated at the Cross? Read Jn 3:16 and Jn 5:24. Do these verses indicate we are saved by law keeping?

You have used verses that seem to me you have not studied. Those verses in Matt are referring to good deeds not works of the law. You are trying to lead lurkers down the wrong path. We cannot allow that to happen. The thief on the cross had nothing to show Jesus accept his faith In Him. Did Jesus reject him?

The thief on the cross rebuked the other thief for his sin (Luke 23:40-41), in accordance with Leviticus 19:17 (thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbor, and not suffer sin upon him), which means he did get in one good deed before his death. Placing faith in Jesus (Luke 23:42) also means he followed the command to listen to the prophet God raises (Deuteronomy 18:15-19). He did as much good as he could with the remainder of his life, it's obvious he would have lived a holy life if he got off that cross.

Keep reading past John 3:16 and you will see believing in him is about letting him shine light on your evil deeds and reproving you (John 3:19-21). Keep reading past John 5:24 and you will see it is those that have done good who will inherit everlasting life (John 5:29). You can see a parallel to this in Daniel 12:2-3 where it talks about the Resurrection, and links it to turning to righteousness. I do believe in Jesus, I believe everything he said about the unrighteous being cast into hell, and that unless I repent I will surely perish.

BobRyan · Aug 22, 2017

Since this "historicity" question keeps coming back... bump

FredVB · Mar 11, 2025

The Bible does have this said, that the Sabbath is holy. It has basis from the seventh day in the beginning after six days of God's creation on this earth, God declared it holy. Whatever we do, observing it or not, it is holy according to God. God's commandment says this is to be remembered, it is with our resting from our work, whatever we have for that. We might not be able to do so fully with employees who will not recognize that and require work from all their employees then. But then they are responsible for violating the commandment from God then rather than employees. Even animals at work for people should be given rest then. It is all on the same day, every seventh day, the end of each week, from sundown ending the sixth day. The Bible defined Sabbath this way, it is made for man as said in the Bible, and nothing in the Bible repeals that.

I know what the new covenant is, Jesus Christ said it was with the blood he was shedding, there is remission of sins with being in Christ. The new heart we are given mentioned from Jeremiah is with the same commandments, which will this way have our living accordingly right from this new heart we have, this is still with being in Christ, gentiles grafted in with Jewish believers who are in Christ.

DamianWarS · Mar 13, 2025

BobRyan said:
The Sabbath Commandment Ex 20:8-11 says that the "seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD Thy God".

And in Ex 16 we find these words "Tomorrow IS the Sabbath".

In Gen 2:1-3 the Sabbath is the 7th day of creation week - and according to Genesis 2 it is then that the Sabbath is "Sanctified", blessed, set apart.

The Baptist Confession of Faith, the Westminster Confession of Faith, D.L. Moody and many others admit that the "Sabbath was made for mankind" (Mark 2:27) and it began in Eden.

So then when - or how - was the Sabbath Commandment changed? How was the obligation, sanctity, blessing of the 7th day transferred to week-day-1??

One Catholic Author - of a commentary on the Baltimore Catechism - after Vatican II describes it this way

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Leo Trese in his book "The Faith Explained" -- commentary on the Baltimore Catechism after Vatican II -

The Faith Explained (an RC commentary on the Baltimore catechism post Vatican ii) states on Page 242 that
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changing the Lord's day to Sunday was in the power of the church since "in the gospels ..Jesus confers upon his church the power to make laws in his name".

page 243

"Nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day From Saturday to Sunday. We know of the change only from the tradition of the Church - a fact handed down to us...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many Non-Catholics, who say that they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and Yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church"

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. (from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church
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One Catholic poster on this section of the board describes it this way.

And how does the Bible define the "Solemnity" - the blessed, sanctified and binding obligation of the Sabbath -- in actual scripture.

Gen 2
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Ex 20: 8, 11
8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

So how is that the Law of God is up for "edit" for change? For taking one of the Commandments - and "repointing it" so that now "another day" is blessed, sanctified, and made holy??

Indeed the RCC claims to have the authority to do that.

Possibly one more reason why the "sola scriptura" model of Acts 17:11 and Mark 7:6-13 gets some push back on certain threads by those who agree with the RCC's right to do such things.

in Christ,

Bob

The day sabbath is on is a bit of a red herring. The issue is not really about the day. The 4th commandment and creation are pretty clear what day it's on and yes the early post-developed church conflated it with Sunday. I get these confusion but if we accept Sola scriptura then the matter is closed. sabbath day remains how it is biblically defined and no council years after a sealed canon has any authority on the matter (in a Sola scriptura view at least)

But that's the issue, the biblical boundaries of the law. Let's all accept it's Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. sure, no problem. but how does old covenant law infom new covenant law is the real issue that's not being addressed (at least in the op). Once that's answer we can argue about what day it's on.

bbbbbbb · Mar 13, 2025

DamianWarS said:
The day sabbath is on is a bit of a red herring. The issue is not really about the day. The 4th commandment and creation are pretty clear what day it's on and yes the early post-developed church conflated it with Sunday. I get these confusion but if we accept Sola scriptura then the matter is closed. sabbath day remains how it is biblically defined and no council years after a sealed canon has any authority on the matter (in a Sola scriptura view at least)

But that's the issue, the biblical boundaries of the law. Let's all accept it's Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. sure, no problem. but how does old covenant law infom new covenant law is the real issue that's not being addressed (at least in the op). Once that's answer we can argue about what day it's on.

You hit the nail on the head here. How new is the New Covenant? Is it merely a regurgitation of the Old Covenant with a few additional commandments? Or, is it entirely different with no relationship with the OC? Or, something in between? The letter to the Hebrews goes a very long way in resolving these questions, in my opinion.

SabbathBlessings · Mar 13, 2025

The Sabbath is about a day according to God in His spoken and written Word.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. It's the holy day of the Lord thy God according to His own words Isa 58:18

The same argument can be made in the garden- its just a tree. But that disobedience is what separated man from God.

God promised He would not edit His Word Deut 4:2 Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18 because it is God's own personal will and Testimony both written and spoken by God.

In the New Covenant- the Sabbath is still the Sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56 just as God promised no editing of His authoritative Word and the NC it still has God's law, going from written on stone, to written on the heart Heb 8:10 2 Cor 3:3 not altering the words as promised by God. We can choose to accept what God wrote on our heart, His law, and keep through faith and love, He will not force one to obey Him, it has to come from the heart.

DamianWarS · Mar 13, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
The Sabbath is about a day according to God in His spoken and written Word.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. It's the holy day of the Lord thy God according to His own words Isa 58:18

The same argument can be made in the garden- its just a tree. But that disobedience is what separated man from God.

God promised He would not edit His Word Deut 4:2 Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18 because it is God's own personal will and Testimony both written and spoken by God.

the sabbath is more than a single day. the 7th day is the antithesis of before light was spoken. it is of light, where before was darkness, it is formed where before it was unformed, it is organized, before chaos, complete/incomplete, filled/empty, rest/unrest, etc... this is all changed when light is spoken into the darkness, separates it and calls it good. This is a salvation metaphor. Christ is this light (Jn 8:12, 2 Cor 4:6) he does work in us until completion (Phil 1:6) and just like in creation, completion ushers in rest, in the new creation it's in our lives and it is us who are called it holy, because Christ is holy. (1 Pet 1:15). the 7th day is the goal that can only be accomplished through Christ.

In the New Covenant- the Sabbath is still the Sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56 just as God promised no editing of His authoritative Word and the NC it still has God's law, going from written on stone, to written on the heart Heb 8:10 2 Cor 3:3 not altering the words as promised by God. We can choose to accept what God wrote on our heart, His law, and keep through faith and love, He will not force one to obey Him, it has to come from the heart.

as the new covenant parallels the old so too does the new creation parallel the (old) creation account of Genesis. But not in the literal sense (otherwise, why would it be called new), but in the transformation sense. The new is interested in transforming lives, not days. In the new creation, light is spoken into the darkness of our lives not into a day, a work is started in us and in its completion it is us who are called holy, not a day. so who is resting? we are, in his glorious presence and grace, and we are called holy. The new is not the old, if you just copy it verbatim over it tells me you don't understand the point. if it is the same, it is not new, I'm not sure how that can be made clearer. Jeremiah describes it as "It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors" (Jer 31:31) What part of this don't you understand?

SabbathBlessings · Mar 14, 2025

DamianWarS said:
"It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors" (Jer 31:31) What part of this don't you understand?

Yes, the new covenant is established on better promises, Heb 8:6 not better or new laws as the NC still l has GOD"S LAW now written on the heart Heb 8:10 so I guess your question can also be applied to you. I would focus on what the NC is established on or the foundation of the whole New Covenant which harmonizes with God's own Testimony Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18, those better promises, instead of focusing on something God clearly said the New Covenant was not established on that sadly most of the world choses to focus on despite God's clear Word. The Sabbath is part of God's law, Exo 20:8-11, Old and NT Luke 23:56 Acts 18:4 Mat 24:20 John 15:10 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19-30 He wrote it He spoke it He kept it and said follow Me, so for me, that's where I am going to place my faith.

The rest of your post is too much opinion over what God's Word says and its hard to reason with one's opinions, so I will leave it as agree to disagree.

bbbbbbb · Mar 14, 2025

DamianWarS said:
the sabbath is more than a single day. the 7th day is the antithesis of before light was spoken. it is of light, where before was darkness, it is formed where before it was unformed, it is organized, before chaos, complete/incomplete, filled/empty, rest/unrest, etc... this is all changed when light is spoken into the darkness, separates it and calls it good. This is a salvation metaphor. Christ is this light (Jn 8:12, 2 Cor 4:6) he does work in us until completion (Phil 1:6) and just like in creation, completion ushers in rest, in the new creation it's in our lives and it is us who are called it holy, because Christ is holy. (1 Pet 1:15). the 7th day is the goal that can only be accomplished through Christ.

as the new covenant parallels the old so too does the new creation parallel the (old) creation account of Genesis. But not in the literal sense (otherwise, why would it be called new), but in the transformation sense. The new is interested in transforming lives, not days. In the new creation, light is spoken into the darkness of our lives not into a day, a work is started in us and in its completion it is us who are called holy, not a day. so who is resting? we are, in his glorious presence and grace, and we are called holy. The new is not the old, if you just copy it verbatim over it tells me you don't understand the point. if it is the same, it is not new, I'm not sure how that can be made clearer. Jeremiah describes it as "It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors" (Jer 31:31) What part of this don't you understand?

Excellent post!

DamianWarS · Mar 14, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Yes, the new covenant is established on better promises, Heb 8:6 not better or new laws as the NC still l has GOD"S LAW now written on the heart Heb 8:10 so I guess your question can also be applied to you. I would focus on what the NC is established on or the foundation of the whole New Covenant which harmonizes with God's own Testimony Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18, those better promises, instead of focusing on something God clearly said the New Covenant was not established on that sadly most of the world choses to focus on despite God's clear Word. The Sabbath is part of God's law, Exo 20:8-11, Old and NT Luke 23:56 Acts 18:4 Mat 24:20 John 15:10 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19-30 He wrote it He spoke it He kept it and said follow Me, so for me, that's where I am going to place my faith.

The rest of your post is too much opinion over what God's Word says and its hard to reason with one's opinions, so I will leave it as agree to disagree.

you're using the "established on better promises" line in Heb 8:6 as a pre-text to support this idea that old covenant law passes over to new covenant law in exact same form. That's a manipulation of the text since alone it cannot support such a loaded statement and no other such explicit statement is made in the NT.

Indeed, law is written upon our hearts, just as 2 Cor 3:3 tells us "not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts." that verse intentionally contrasts upon the heart with tablets showing they are not the same. the spirit is the author that which is upon our hearts and this should inform us what we should expect from law written up on hearts. Galatians 5:14 says "For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself." then immediately after in v16 "So I say, walk by the Spirit..." it goes on regarding walking in the spirit, in v18 then says "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."

"of the heart" is not the 10 commandments, or anything in a static state like of stone describes which would defeat the purpose of the Spirit. if it were just a list, then why do we need the spirit to write the laws upon our hearts... that would be a bit silly, just look at the list. the 10 never went anywhere, why does it need to be etched on our hearts as well? the laws must by living and dynamic tailored to the call of God that is unique to each person and is not a one-size-fits-all all approach as the 10 commandments are, this is what it means for it to be of the spirit and upon our hearts. The spirit does not conflict with the spirit and all is to accomplish the same goal, it just accomplishes this through a living law, not a static one. This is should not be a surprise with the prefix "of the heart" and should come naturally.

old covenant law is a points to Christ. it role is symbolic, although physical in it's time, NT revelation shows us it's a physical analog of the spiritual but it is the spiritual that we look to not the physical as the physical cannot accomplish the goal. We don't through out the physical, it continue to testify Christ, but we are just not under it which is a different thing. If you graduate school you still value it, but you're not still stuck in class.

SabbathBlessings · Mar 14, 2025

DamianWarS said:
you're using the "established on better promises" line in Heb 8:6 as a pre-text to support this idea that old covenant law passes over to new covenant law in exact same form. That's a manipulation of the text since alone it cannot support such a loaded statement and no other such explicit statement is made in the NT.

Indeed, law is written upon our hearts, just as 2 Cor 3:3 tells us "not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts." that verse intentionally contrasts upon the heart with tablets showing they are not the same. the spirit is the author that which is upon our hearts and this should inform us what we should expect from law written up on hearts. Galatians 5:14 says "For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself." then immediately after in v16 "So I say, walk by the Spirit..." it goes on regarding walking in the spirit, in v18 then says "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."

"of the heart" is not the 10 commandments, or anything in a static state like of stone describes which would defeat the purpose of the Spirit. if it were just a list, then why do we need the spirit to write the laws upon our hearts... that would be a bit silly, just look at the list. the 10 never went anywhere, why does it need to be etched on our hearts as well? the laws must by living and dynamic tailored to the call of God that is unique to each person and is not a one-size-fits-all all approach as the 10 commandments are, this is what it means for it to be of the spirit and upon our hearts. The spirit does not conflict with the spirit and all is to accomplish the same goal, it just accomplishes this through a living law, not a static one. This is should not be a surprise with the prefix "of the heart" and should come naturally.

old covenant law is a points to Christ. it role is symbolic, although physical in it's time, NT revelation shows us it's a physical analog of the spiritual but it is the spiritual that we look to not the physical as the physical cannot accomplish the goal. We don't through out the physical, it continue to testify Christ, but we are just not under it which is a different thing. If you graduate school you still value it, but you're not still stuck in class.

It contrasts where its written from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart, it does not say anywhere in the Text it is different laws, hence why Jesus said quoting directly from the Ten Commandments when replacing God’s law with our own law our heart is far from Him, Mat 15:3-9 because thats where God placed His law and rebelling what He placed there Rom 8:7-8 is not the way to reconciliation Rev 22:14. And it’s never a good idea to disregard the context because established on better promises, does not say, established on better laws. So we would be better served IMHO to focus on those better promises God doing through our love and cooperation Heb 8:10 John 14:15-18 over we doing in our strength Eso 19:8

Love our neighbor is summarized directly from the Ten Rom 13:9 not deletes. No one loves their neighbor by stealing from them, no one love God by worshipping other gods, love does not go undefined 1 John 5:3 and replaced by what we feel is right or wrong or what we feel is love to God or neighbor. Eo 20:6 Mat 14:15

Anyway, seems like the same arguments we have gone through too many times, all gets sorted out soon enough.

Be well.

bbbbbbb · Mar 14, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
It contrasts where its written from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart, it does not say anywhere in the Text it is different laws, hence why Jesus said quoting directly from the Ten Commandments when replacing God’s law with our own law our heart is far from Him, Mat 15:3-9 because thats where God placed His law and rebelling what He placed there Rom 8:7-8 is not the way to reconciliation Rev 22:14. And it’s never a good idea to disregard the context because established on better promises, does not say, established on better laws. So we would be better served IMHO to focus on those better promises God doing through our love and cooperation Heb 8:10 John 14:15-18 over we doing in our strength Eso 19:8

Love our neighbor is summarized directly from the Ten Rom 13:9 not deletes. No one loves their neighbor by stealing from them, no one love God by worshipping other gods, love does not go undefined 1 John 5:3 and replaced by what we feel is right or wrong or what we feel is love to God or neighbor. Eo 20:6 Mat 14:15

Anyway, seems like the same arguments we have gone through too many times, all gets sorted out soon enough.

Be well.

'Tis a great pity that you have willfully chosen to obey only ten of the commandments that God gave to His people, Israel.

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