Historicism

Jerryhuerta said,​

You aren't a historicist, so you should be posting on my thread.​

As to your statements on Israel,



Quote. Not only do I disagree with dispensationalism but I disagree with what you are saying also. Israel, the lost sheep, went into dispersion/captivity, at least 100 years before Judah went into captivity in Babylon; The difference between Israel and Judah was Israel had abandoned God, to the point of Keeping Sunday; Judah was still in covenant even when in captivity, and when Jesus arrived all they had to do was repent and anoint the most high; it was Mary Madeleine who anointed Jesus and less than 200 repented. Unquote



the OT affirms Christ came to punish the shepherds and scatter the sheep. In Ezekiel 34, God is angry with the shepherds for failing to care for the sheep, some of which are lost, driven away, and scattered.

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I am certainly a Historicist, You may not be, I think you do not know what the word and practice is; or you practice an Orwellian version. You may also be confusing method with result.

A Definition and Short History of Historicism as a Method for Interpreting Daniel and Revelation (andrews.edu)

While I often disagree with the SDA, I do not disagree with their method.

Jesus fulfilled Ezekiel 34, as he fulfilled half of those things said of him in the Law and the Prophets before he was cut off; as any good Jew could tell you about half of those prophesies the Messiah was to fulfil are outstanding; but still to come.

It is my opinion that Historicism only exists because of Preterism and Futurism and Historicism represents anything other than Preterism and Futurism, now, and what preceded them at the Council of Trent, where Preterism and Futurism made their debut.

One question could be, are there other possible groups besides those three; what about the Herbert W Armstrong people, which group do they belong?

What about me, I believe that when Jesus was cut off in the middle of confirming the covenant, a perceived interval of 2300 years began; Daniel 8:14, Gentiles tread the sanctuary of God under foot; isn't this what has been happening. At the end of 2300 years Christ (having a new name) returns to continue confirming the covenant.

Does this belief disqualify me being a Historicist; maybe I need to start a new, well I couldn't call it a group seeing that I am only one.

I suppose many thing were discussed at the Council of Trent, some say it lasted seventy odd years. The Council of Trent was about ending the Reformation. The Papacy was accused of being the Beast of Revelation; Jesuits were commissioned to find a solution; Preterism placed the anti-Christ before the time frame of the Papacy and Futurism placed the anti-Christ after the time frame of the papacy; I am sure Ribera would be stunned to find his hypothetical became the backbone of many religions. The protestants were not convinced, but the Catholics won the day when they said, "If you go by the Bible and the Bible alone, you will have to keep the seventh day Sabbath, for there is no authority for changing the day to Sunday except the Catholic Church." The Protestants folded, they couldn't handle the seventh day Sabbath, the Reformation or the flow of people from the Catholic Church ceased.