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Imblessed

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Last week our computer committed suicide and it took a week before we got a new one.

So this morning I decide to drop by CF and see what's up after being gone for a week and a half, and this is what I find!

Seeing as how I grew up Quaker and just recently became a reformed baptist...I'm not so sure i'm happy about the split. I still hold onto a lot of my Quaker heritage, and beliefs.

So, I hope you all don't mind if I come in and hang out with you guys once in a while.

I promise I won't cause trouble..........
 

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So, I hope you all don't mind if I come in and hang out with you guys once in a while.

Sounds like fun! You're more then welcome here!
I promise I won't cause trouble

Where's the fun in that? No really, how else do we learn about each other except by discussing our differences and the areas we agree on?
tulc(driving in the heat!)
 
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We do need our Quakers represented. I know nothing about them other than a fella name George Fox and they're called "Friends" and no sacraments and they used to make the upper class angry by the way they addressed them.
 
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menno said:
We do need our Quakers represented. I know nothing about them other than a fella name George Fox and they're called "Friends" and no sacraments and they used to make the upper class angry by the way they addressed them.
Well, looks like you got the gist of it anyway!

Actually, Quakerism has changed sooo much since it was "started". Honestly, it's hardly anything like it started out. Most people associate these words with quakerism : pacifists, mild, quiet, non-evangelical, non-political, black hats, etc. In reality, the first Quakers were very evangelical, they were Not mild or quiet, they were very political, and tended to get into quite amazing arguments with other denominations. They were a very passionate bunch, passionate about what they saw was a bunch of people being led around by the nose by the so called religious, and not given the freedom (or knowledge) to worship God in their own way. In an effort to get out from under the "pharasees of the day" as they called the religious leaders....they dumped all sacraments and titles and most everything else associated with "church" and just started meeting together, letting each person speak as they felt led, or not speak if that's the case.

They were called Quakers first as a derogatory term, because the first Quakers would be so empassioned when they spoke of their beliefs they would "quake". They took on the term happily, because to them it signified a good thing, this passion for their faith.

But, as all new religions do, as more and more people joined, and since they encouraged a personal walk of faith, quakerism naturally split into several groups. Right now their are 3 main types of Quakers.

Evangelical Friends Meeting, which are the most "orthodox" of the bunch, they place the bible as the final athority, and claim that they are the closest to the "original" quakers as far as their beliefs go--they are also the ones that seem closer to methodism than quakerism to me(personal opinion there) . Most Evangelical Friends churches practice the sacraments also, accepting and even performing baptisms, and partaking of communion occationally. In my mind, they've lost quite a bit of what's commonly thought of as "quaker", but perhaps George Fox never envisioned quakerism as becoming what it did following the years after his death, either......

The Friend General Conference, in which most of the unprogrammed meetings are a part of--they are also the most unorthodox of the bunch, in which alot of non-christian 'quakers' belong. Quite a few are universalists, and you even have a few that have turned quakerism in to some sort of spiritualized paganism; athough to be fair, there are plenty of good solid christians in this organization, it's just much more tolerant of extreme views than the other two organizations.

Friends United Meeting, which is programmed, but not as "orthodox" perhaps as the evangelical friends. I grew up part of the Friends United Meeting. The FUM is very peace oriented, and missions oriented also. They have ministers, but also spend a large portion of the meeting in quiet time. I'd say the FUM is a good balance between the EFM and the FGC, but I'm sure I'm a bit biased!


So there you have it, a quick, perhaped convoluted explanation of quakers. Very badly done, I'm sure. Wikepedia's entry is very good, if you want to get a better explanation.
 
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That's interesting, I didn't know there were 3 groups--EFM sounds particularly interesting though.

Have you been to FGC meetings? By "unprogrammed" you mean no one knows what's going to happen-no order of worship, just gather together and see what comes of it?
 
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Cool!
 
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I've been to a few unprogrammed meetings. What happens is this---there is no minister and everyone just comes to the meeting house. Around the time the meeting starts, everyone gets quiet and basically you have an hour (more or less) of quiet meditation on God. If someone feels led to stand up and speak, they do. And it could be about anything at all really. It could be a praise, or a concern, or a comment on some part of the bible they had read, or a comment about current affairs or what not. Or someone could ask to sing a song out of the songbook or something. At the end of the meeting, one of the older persons will stand up and shake the person's hand next to him. This signifies the end of the meeting.

And that's it. Some of the unprogrammed meetings have a meeting house they go to, others have the meetings at a different house every week. Depends.

That's part of the reason that unprogrammed meetings are so popular with the spiritualists and the non-christian Quakers. There is no actual teaching going on. It's pretty neat to go sometimes, but I don't recommend it for any type of christian growth.
 
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I went to one of those meetings on the east side of Cleveland once. I see what you mean when you say they are popular with the spiritualists and non-Christian quakers. During the quiet period, one man stood up and said he thinks it would be neat if next time Jesus comes as a little girl. Immediately after the service, the meeting held a reception for the 10th anniversary of the blessing of the union between two lesbians. When they saw I had brought my Bible with me, they wouldn't talk to me.

But another quaker meeting I went to for a while had silent meetings once a month and they were much less unscriptural. It all depends on the meeting I guess.
 
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menno said:
I'd like to think I could stay focused enough in a "quiet" unprogrammed meeting. I'd think in this day and age where everyone wants to talk the problem would be getting people to shut up.

The quiet meetings I went to at the Biblically-based quaker church usually broke out into awesome prayer meetings. We would sit in a circle facing each other and pretty soon we were all praying for each other, our community and our world. It was really cool.

If you've never gone to a silent meeting, I highly recommend them.

PA must be full of quaker meetings, being the quaker state and all!
 
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menno said:
There is a Friend's Meeting in town but I've always dismissed them due to my stupid prejudices...

and what would those prejudices be? Not wanting to wear a big black hat and eat oatmeal?


My mom was very active with the Quaker church camp in Wilmington, Ohio. I went from the time I was in 3rd grade till I graduated--did the whole camp counselor thing when I was old enough etc etc. I have lots and lots of great memories of that camp. And my boys started going last year (yeah! )

Anyway, she was camp director for the Jr. High camp for several years running. Couple of years ago, she was approached by one of the moms after camp and given a lecture because she talked about Jesus too much at camp! Apparently, this parent is of the opinion that Jesus wasn't really real, and that "all roads lead to heaven" and that sort of thing. She belonged to an unprogrammed 'quaker' church somewhere. My mom politely told her that she wasn't going to stop 'talking about Jesus' at her camps and then tried to show this lady why, but she wasn't interested. She told her that was why she went to a 'quaker' church, so that she could belong to a church that didn't 'pressure' her to be religious. (notice I've been putting the parenthesis around quaker when talking about this lady's church....I wouldn't claim it)


WalkinHisFootsteps had a pretty typical couple of experiences really. Some unprogrammed meetings are nothing but show, but others are full of genuine christians.

You should check out that church. Did you say it was unprogrammed? If you give me the name of it, I could check and see what kind of church it is.........
 
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WalkInHisFootsteps said:
ImBlessed, it's so good to have you here. We need more interaction with our Christian Quaker brothers and sisters.

Wasn't Antioch College in Yellow Springs a Quaker school at one time? Or am I confusing it with Wilmington College?

Wilmington College is a Quaker affiliated. I think they've really lost a lot of that over the last 10-20 years though...... in the quest for growth. They do have a fabulous peace resource center right across from campus..... here is the link http://www.wilmington.edu/manila/peace/home.html


As far as I know, Antioch College also has strong Quaker ties. I don't think it qualifies as a Quaker College though. Maybe at some point in time. I don't know much about it at all. Of course I don't really consider WC to be a quaker college anymore either.....
 
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