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justanobserver

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Hi Jim. welcome to the recovery forums.

21 yrs! that is great to hear! I got 2 yrs so far and a whole lot more to go.

again, welcome.
 
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Hi there Ms. Wendy!
I hope your friend will not take it personally that you chose not to attend, but even if she does she'll get over it.

I know we can't escape alcohol but we know ourselves and what we can and can't handle. Yesterday, I was cleaning out the refridgerator and found a beer, (my husband drinks) and it was very tempting to me sitting there. I thought about it. Ofcourse, I KNOW I can't drink just one. I'd be in the grip of my disease if I touch the stuff, and I DO NOT want to go backward. This morning on Good Morning America Robin Willaims was talking about his addiction and he had 20 years of sobriety and went back, so it can happen. I hope to guard myself from the 'first' drink to avoid that.

Anyway, that's about it for now....

Blessings,
B~
 
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Hi there Ms. Wendy!
Hi there Ms. B~

I hope your friend will not take it personally that you chose not to attend, but even if she does she'll get over it.
Her 1st reaction was sarcasm...then I sat down and said "Lin, at this point and time in my life, I just don't trust myself. You may not understand... but as a friend, I would appreciate it if you would try to see it from my view" She just smiled and nodded. She's an LPN so she's seen the devastating results of alcohol.


Just yesterday...because I've been hiding my smokes from my son (he tends to 'borrow' from my pack ) I pulled the chair up to the cupboard to retrieve them from the top...and there was an empty micki of vodka...takes one back a bit. The thought didn't stay long.

I commend you greatly B~ to have a drinking husband and still stay strong! I am so grateful mine doesn't drink at home. After the whole detox thing, there was no more booze in the house. (which I am so grateful for!)

Great hearing from you again

s & s,
Wendy
 
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hey all. just been doin a lot of thinkin and observin and questioning and wonderin and re-thinkin and re-thinkin some more and tryin to figger out things and thinkin some more and.......

just some deep personal things that I am not sure what to think - its positive I think - and a past that alcohol/drugs had a very negative effect on and how I percieved someone that use to be close to me then and how I perceive that someone now. gonna stop at this point but it can be amazing when the cloud and fog of being under an ainfluence is lifted and you can see soemone differently and you wonder about the change you see in them when in reality its the change in you that allows you to see them bascially as they are the first time although you have known them for over 16 yrs.

but as with this other person, I been seeing the same in me, what I was and who I am becoming and where I think I want to go/be.

For so many years I would say I am a dad or a son or a brother or a Sergeant (Army) or whatever but those were just titles for who I really was - an alcoholic and addict. I functioned as a dad or a son or a brother or a Sergeant but my world was the booze and the drugs (not just pot either...) and it shaped/framed who I was and what I was for the most part.

Clear as mud? For me, it defined who I was as a person - an addict and an alcoholic that lived for the next drunk or high. My personality and thoughts were based/funcitoned/acted IAW on this priority.

Now, the influence of the physical is gone from my system and the mental/pysycological desire/need is under a day by day control but with the strength and support that I have in my walk, I am able to see who and what I am or becoming. Its like seeing someone new. Folks ask or talk about who I really am and I tell them I really dont know but I am learning.

bear with me - just writing down thoughts as they been accumalating up some.

I wonder if I would become or discover that I am this or that but in some manner I am who I always been (mostly the "good" that we have in us) and my likes/dislikes have changed and are ever changing I am finding out.

Kind alike being in a coma for years and then one day, I am awake and discovering I am a person that is seeking his own defining.

ran out of thoughts at this moment. may post more later.
 
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Thanks Lion

Have a question...wonder if this is something others wonder.

Is it wrong or dangerous to drink, for instance, a non-alcohlic beverage like wine? Will it bring the desire to drink the real stuff? Is it a good replacement for the real thing? Or would it matter when you chose to drink it?

Last night after a 'ick' day of dealing with two selfish teens and a few other things (great way to spend a day off ) I cracked open the non-alcohlilc wine I had bought some time ago...I did really enjoy sipping it. It did not lead me to want a real one.....

Just wondering,
Wendy
 
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I've enjoyed some of those as well as some 0.0% beer on special occasions or Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners. I've also had times where I was looking forward a little too much to having them.
It pays to be wary of things and methods that give me some peace of mind. That peace needs to be from my relationship with God or I just step into a new addiction.
So in spite of these drinks not having alcohol in them, if I feel within myself too strong of a desire for them, I tend to exercise some caution.
 
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Hi! I just wanted you to know I enjoy reading your ponderings. I've always been a ponder'er scratch: ) so I feel a connection with others who are the same way.

It's interesting that what is, IS only when we discover it it's as if we've found some mystery. Perception is everything, and as mine changes I see things that were always there become like new to me. I get a real kick out of it. Funny, I think I'm dorky for it, but oh well. I 've always been this way, and I don't imagine it will change.
Have a nice day.

Hi to everyone.

Blessings,
B~

 
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Thanks Lion for your reply...you always answer with something I can think about.

Norm thanks once again for starting this thread and for the thoughts you share from what where you are at the moment

~B~ Thanks for being here with your encouragement.

You're all special people that I'm glad God brought into my life...if only by this medium (which by the way I have learned not to be 'scared' of ...but embraced, knowing not all things are 'ugly' in cyber space )

s & s,
Wendy
 
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Just wanted to post in an area that would understand (I know there are other ones too ) I have just heard that a special dear friend has ended her own life.
My heart aches...and I know...I must go back to meetings, cause the pain is ..........

Wendy
 
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Just wanted to post in an area that would understand (I know there are other ones too ) I have just heard that a special dear friend has ended her own life.
My heart aches...and I know...I must go back to meetings, cause the pain is ..........

Wendy

I'm sorry to hear that Wendy. It's such a tragedy when one becomes hopeless. I've felt that way, so my heart goes out.
As for the meetings, I need to go more often as well. I am starting to slip back into that depression and I hate to think of what could happen if I don't protect myself by doing what I KNOW I have to do. It's so hard having this disease. I just hate it. I talked to my sponsor last week about some of my issues, I seem to be sadder since. Sometimes, I hate myself so much, I 'feel' like I shouldn't be here (progress wise) I SHOULD be so much farther and I blame myself for not trying harder. Anyway, I know what to do, and that's the problem ACTION. I've always been lazy and now there are no excuses, oh well....sorry to have gotten off on that tangent.
Have a nice day

Blessings,
B~

 
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Just wanted to post in an area that would understand (I know there are other ones too ) I have just heard that a special dear friend has ended her own life.
My heart aches...and I know...I must go back to meetings, cause the pain is ..........

Wendy

I am so sorry to hear this. If you need to "talk", you got my PM. you will be in my thoughts.
 
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you can tangent as much you as want! or ponder or wonder or express or think out loud or get off your chest or vent or.....

whatever works works here. or something like that.
 
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I'm sorry to hear that Wendy. It's such a tragedy when one becomes hopeless. I've felt that way, so my heart goes out.
Thank you ~B~

As for the meetings, I need to go more often as well. I am starting to slip back into that depression and I hate to think of what could happen if I don't protect myself by doing what I KNOW I have to do.
Sometimes, I don't know if it's the alcoholism or the depression thing??? Maybe both???

It's so hard having this disease. I just hate it.
I can SOOOOOOOO relate Sister!

Sometimes, I hate myself so much, I 'feel' like I shouldn't be here (progress wise) I SHOULD be so much farther and I blame myself for not trying harder.
Let me count the times I've thought that!!! One day I'm thinking...wow I've come a long way...the next time it's ... what the heck...I'm ONLY here??!!!??

Anyway, I know what to do, and that's the problem ACTION. I've always been lazy and now there are no excuses,
I seem to chose the things I want to be 'lazy' about. I think I use a 'nicer' word to excuse myself. I am trying to learn from your honesty.

oh well....sorry to have gotten off on that tangent.
~B....LIKE NORM SAID!!!


With lots of s & Love,
Wendy
 
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Maybe pick up a 24 Hour chip so as to admit to the slip(s)? Fear of admitting it will often have a bearing on one's willingness to go back.

We don't have that 'chip' here. Seem's we're a lil stingy on the chip thing.

You're right tho...it does have a bearing on
going back

Wendy
 
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Hello....

I hope you can find the strength Wendy. Me too.
I'm in the same boat. I've been going to one a week, but I'm NOT working a program, and I CAN TELL. I am SO depressed, (coming off the pills too) I feel like such a dummy. I have addict tendancies no matter what I take. I have to stay active in my own recovery, or I won't be recovered. I feel horrible. I know what to do about it, and I'm not going to dwell on the thoughts of how worthless I am. I'm tuning them out with my own positive self talk, I try to talk about all of this with someone else, that's what I've been told to do. Right now, I'm just thankfull I have not gotten back into alcohol or 'drugs' (as if pills are not drugs, but I mean the hard ones) anyway, I will fight this. I pray for strength, and i'll pray for you too Wendy.
Thanks for being here, to all who are.
Blessings,
B~
 
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