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Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT...

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Stop with the childish antics. Answer the question.



You mean the platypus that has a mixture of mammalian and reptilian features, clear evidence of an evolutionary transition?

You made the assertion...I simply asked why not? Can you not answer the question?
 
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You made the assertion...I simply asked why not?

I asked why would a common creator be forced to use a nested hierarchy. If you can't produce a single reason, then there is no reason why we should expect creationism to produce a nested hierarchy.

Can you not answer the question?

Can you not answer the question?
 
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I asked why would a common creator be forced to use a nested hierarchy. If you can't produce a single reason, then there is no reason why we should expect creationism to produce a nested hierarchy.



Can you not answer the question?

Who said God was forced? That seems to be your strawman position.
Tell me why it rules out special creation.
 
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Quite right. Even if you could disprove evolution, that would not prove creationism. When 19th-century scientists began exploring nature, they believed they could find proof of the biblical account, especially the great Flood. However, the data they gathered suggested something else. Hence, evolution was introduced. Now, should evolution be discredited, the march of knowledge will go forward to something else, not backward to what was previously rejected.
 
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I believe they were looking for a common sediment layer all over the planet earth. That isn't what the model suggest.
 
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Sure, and in the past 100 to 150 million years, we had a common ancestor.

Fish are more distantly related to us, of course, they are not even mammals.
 
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Your statement is just opinion.
 
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Who said God was forced?

Justatruthseeker is making that argument, and you seem to be agreeing. We are being told that being made of the same protons, neutrons, and electrons means that life has to fall into a nested hierarchy. Why?

That seems to be your strawman position.
Tell me why it rules out special creation.

Tell me why special creation would produce the observed pattern of shared and derived features. If you can't tell us why, then there is no expectation that special creation would produce what we observe.
 
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God could have created cows with wings if He wanted to. Or God could have created rodents with wings if He wanted to.
 
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Tell me why special creation would produce the observed pattern of shared and derived features. If you can't tell us why, then there is no expectation that special creation would produce what we observe.

Why wouldn't a common creator used shared features? We don't live in the ocean...so i wouldn't expect God to have created us with fins and gills....so I wouldn't expect to see people with fins and gills...would you?
 
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Why wouldn't a common creator used shared features? We don't live in the ocean...so i wouldn't expect God to have created us with fins and gills....so I wouldn't expect to see people with fins and gills...would you?

Birds have hollow bones, Bats do not. Why didn't a common creator use shared features? Birds have beaks and no teeth, bats have teeth and no beaks. Why didn't a common creator use shared features? Birds have feathers, Bats have fur. Why didn't a common creator use shared features?

Why are fur, teeth, mammary glands and live birth always found together in one set of flying creatures, while beaks, eggs, hollow bones, and hunting for baby food found in the other?

There is an evolutionary answer . . . for this pattern. There is no creation theory to explain this pattern.
 
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One must have faith in the willy-nilly 'creator' or one must have faith in a designer creator.
 
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If God is not continuously creative, than creation is an on-again, off-again proposition with God. Hence, the non-evolutionary God is a willy-nilly creator. I On the other hand, if God is eternally creative, then creation is continuous and therefore there is an evolutionary process, which continually introduces relevant novelty.
 
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